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Apr 17 2024 10:10pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 17 2024 03:46pm)
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. SA was already allied behind closed doors with Israel before this war and on the brink of signing the abraham accords, thats why the war started when it started.

i have no love for the saudis, but they're inarguably better than the iranians.


From a geopolitical lens I guess, but any other lens not really. Maybe I’m wrong I’m my perception but I don’t really like the Saudi royal family. 8th century social norms while treating everyone else as inferior. They treat migrants like slaves while a few thousand royals reap the benefits and live lavishly. The whole not allowing a Bible or women to walk without men also irks me. Absolutely inferior culture, stuck in the past. You’d think with wealth they’d be better. Iran for the longest actually much more resembled a country we could find similarities with. If you separate their Jew hating and sponsoring of terrorism that came with the rise of their leaders (which of course came to power as a counter action to us supporting our puppet there), most Iranians are not that bad, certainly more socially evolved compared to the Saudis.
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Quote (WhiteSouned @ Apr 18 2024 12:13am)
Iran is striking Israel on a daily basis through its proxies. That guy at the embassy most likely planed on executing something large.

Sure, and Israel strikes at Iran unofficially as well. I don't doubt the military personnel Israel killed were heavily involved in facilitating attacks against Israel but the problem is they were killed at an embassy which is technically Iranian soil.

If targeting them was necessary it should have been done outside of the embassy, attacking the embassy gave Iran a valid reason to attack directly. If they are attacked now they will again have valid reason to respond. It looks bad for Israel to be attacked and I'm sure the natural inclination is to hit back harder to set an example but Israel put itself in this position by striking the embassy.
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Apr 17 2024 10:56pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Apr 18 2024 07:11am)
Sure, and Israel strikes at Iran unofficially as well. I don't doubt the military personnel Israel killed were heavily involved in facilitating attacks against Israel but the problem is they were killed at an embassy which is technically Iranian soil.

If targeting them was necessary it should have been done outside of the embassy, attacking the embassy gave Iran a valid reason to attack directly. If they are attacked now they will again have valid reason to respond. It looks bad for Israel to be attacked and I'm sure the natural inclination is to hit back harder to set an example but Israel put itself in this position by striking the embassy.


Yeah, it’s a valid claim. although personally I don’t think that you can compare between attacking an embassy to the Iranian counter.
Iran wanted to establish an equation for a retaliation to the Israeli assassinations. The embassy it’s just the excuse.. I believe that even if it was outside the embassy they would have acted the same.
IMO the Iranians are planning all of this for years (30 years at least). Including 10/7. They are smart.. I do not underestimate them.
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Apr 17 2024 11:18pm
Quote (ferdia @ 17 Apr 2024 21:47)
Saudi Arabia is no friend of Israel though. Saudi Arabia is ruled by psychopaths and they have no love of Israel.



agreed. we can only cross our fingers.



I am confused, if all of Israel was behind them, how come there are so many protests ? For a moment I thought you were talking about Israel. my bad.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/01/middleeast/israel-protests-netanyahu-intl/index.html
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/2/israels-protests-amid-mounting-pressure-on-benjamin-netanyahu-all-to-know
https://news.sky.com/story/tens-of-thousands-stage-anti-government-protest-in-israel-as-benjamin-netanyahus-surgery-hailed-success-13105812

it looks more likely that there will be a change in leadership in Israel before there is a change in leadership in Iran.

meanwhile...
It has been a problem for years, which spiked in February 2023 and again since October 7: The IDF and law enforcement are weak on cracking down onJewish terrorism against Palestinians when it does arise. Since the weekend, there have been at least three such significant incidents, and while the IDF and police are both said to be investigating, it is unclear what efforts were made to prevent the actions of Jewish extremists, making these moves ineffective. In contrast to the battlefield, where the IDF has robust – if imperfect – mechanisms for reviewing errors or rogue actions against Palestinians, the preventing or prosecution of Jewish attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank often falls into a black hole.

source: https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-797440


Israelis are protesting against the judicial reform and now about the hostages.
We think Netanyahu doesnt fit to lead us in these times but it doesnt mean we wont go to war.
The Iranian people are been executed by their regime if they show any kind of objection to it

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Apr 17 2024 11:19pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 17 Apr 2024 22:59)
Do you think Iran was right to respond to the bombing of its embassy?
What would have been an appropriate response to that?


It wasnt an embassy mr propaganda
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Apr 17 2024 11:20pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 17 Apr 2024 23:06)
Israel striking an embassy was a reckless move which escalated things. I get why the Iranians had to show some kind of response to that and don't mind the Iranian response too much. It was symbolic and geared more toward the Mullah regime keeping its face than toward actually causing notable damage. Israel can do something similar and then the matter can be considered settled.


It wasnt an embassy
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Apr 17 2024 11:24pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 18 Apr 2024 07:10)
From a geopolitical lens I guess, but any other lens not really. Maybe I’m wrong I’m my perception but I don’t really like the Saudi royal family. 8th century social norms while treating everyone else as inferior. They treat migrants like slaves while a few thousand royals reap the benefits and live lavishly. The whole not allowing a Bible or women to walk without men also irks me. Absolutely inferior culture, stuck in the past. You’d think with wealth they’d be better. Iran for the longest actually much more resembled a country we could find similarities with. If you separate their Jew hating and sponsoring of terrorism that came with the rise of their leaders (which of course came to power as a counter action to us supporting our puppet there), most Iranians are not that bad, certainly more socially evolved compared to the Saudis.


The IRGC rise have nothing to do with Israel
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Apr 17 2024 11:33pm
Quote (WhiteSouned @ Apr 18 2024 01:56am)
Yeah, it’s a valid claim. although personally I don’t think that you can compare between attacking an embassy to the Iranian counter.
Iran wanted to establish an equation for a retaliation to the Israeli assassinations. The embassy it’s just the excuse.. I believe that even if it was outside the embassy they would have acted the same.
IMO the Iranians are planning all of this for years (30 years at least). Including 10/7. They are smart.. I do not underestimate them.

I think attacking Israel directly is more serious than Israel attacking the embassy but it has to be taken into account that Iran is the only side that really lost anything. I don't think Iran seriously intended to do damage otherwise they wouldn't have telegraphed it so far ahead of time and would have sent more drones and missiles. To me that seems like a clear win for Israel, not only did they take out senior military, they also attacked an embassy directly and the only real price was very minor damage to a runway. A Bedouin girl was injured as well but as far as I know that was from debris not an actual targeted attack, hopefully she recovered okay.

Iran may have acted the same either way but by attacking the embassy it gave more credibility to their response than it would have otherwise IMO. It may have ended the same way but it's still a win for Israel overall. Israel threw the first punch in this particular exchange and still managed to come out with everyone on their side, most world leaders are condemning Iran and begging Israel not to escalate. There will be other reasons to attack Iran I'm sure, I don't think this is a good one, especially with the US signaling they don't want to help.

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Apr 17 2024 11:39pm
Quote (Many_Names @ Apr 18 2024 02:19am)
It wasnt an embassy mr propaganda

What was it? Another HAMAS headquarters? Saw some kids hanging out there did ya?
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Apr 17 2024 11:51pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 18 Apr 2024 08:39)
What was it? Another HAMAS headquarters? Saw some kids hanging out there did ya?


It was a build right to the consulate its not the embassy
Some media outlet actually reported this
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