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Apr 17 2024 10:51am
Quote (Many_Names @ Apr 17 2024 09:34am)
You guys never dealt with bullies in the middle east you have no idea how that works.
You think in western civilization ways, and so is Israel until October 7th.
If Israel wont strike back and strike hard this wont end, we know it because we didnt strike back when the first rocket was shot at us and look where we are now


I don't pretend to know the answer, so my question is one of genuine curiosity. What does it mean for this "to end" though?
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Apr 17 2024 09:59am)
I wonder what the motivation/plan from Israel is for them to want to engage in such tit for tat behavior that runs the potential of continuing to escalate things into a regional war.


the only "positive" is drawing Saudi Arabia back into an alliance.
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Quote (Many_Names @ 17 Apr 2024 18:36)
None, I just hope we will strike back hard enough.

The Iranians unlike Israelis doesnt have the entire country behind them.
As soon as weakness is shown the people will take their government out in a coup


Or they will rally behind their government, like most people have done in times of crisis or outside threat throughout the course of human history. :rolleyes:

I agree that Israel needs to show some kind of reaction to Iran crossing the line of directly firing missiles at Israel, but it should be a highly symbolic response which minimizes the risk of things spiraling further. A targeted strike on an Iranian launch site would be a good option.

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Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 17 2024 06:00pm)
the only "positive" is drawing Saudi Arabia back into an alliance.


Saudi Arabia is no friend of Israel though. Saudi Arabia is ruled by psychopaths and they have no love of Israel.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 17 2024 07:11pm)
Or they will rally behind their government, like most people have done in times of crisis or outside threat throughout the course of human history. :rolleyes:

I agree that Israel needs to show some kind of reaction to Iran crossing the line of directly firing missiles at Israel, but it should be a highly symbolic response which minimizes the risk of things spiraling further. A targeted strike on an Iranian launch site would be a good option.


agreed. we can only cross our fingers.

Quote (Many_Names @ Apr 17 2024 05:36pm)
None, I just hope we will strike back hard enough.

The Iranians unlike Israelis doesnt have the entire country behind them.
As soon as weakness is shown the people will take their government out in a coup


I am confused, if all of Israel was behind them, how come there are so many protests ? For a moment I thought you were talking about Israel. my bad.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/01/middleeast/israel-protests-netanyahu-intl/index.html
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/2/israels-protests-amid-mounting-pressure-on-benjamin-netanyahu-all-to-know
https://news.sky.com/story/tens-of-thousands-stage-anti-government-protest-in-israel-as-benjamin-netanyahus-surgery-hailed-success-13105812

it looks more likely that there will be a change in leadership in Israel before there is a change in leadership in Iran.

meanwhile...
It has been a problem for years, which spiked in February 2023 and again since October 7: The IDF and law enforcement are weak on cracking down onJewish terrorism against Palestinians when it does arise. Since the weekend, there have been at least three such significant incidents, and while the IDF and police are both said to be investigating, it is unclear what efforts were made to prevent the actions of Jewish extremists, making these moves ineffective. In contrast to the battlefield, where the IDF has robust – if imperfect – mechanisms for reviewing errors or rogue actions against Palestinians, the preventing or prosecution of Jewish attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank often falls into a black hole.

source: https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-797440

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Saudi Arabia is no friend of Israel though. Saudi Arabia is ruled by psychopaths and they have no love of Israel.


The enemy of my enemy is my friend. SA was already allied behind closed doors with Israel before this war and on the brink of signing the abraham accords, thats why the war started when it started.

i have no love for the saudis, but they're inarguably better than the iranians.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 17 2024 03:11pm)
Or they will rally behind their government, like most people have done in times of crisis or outside threat throughout the course of human history. :rolleyes:

I agree that Israel needs to show some kind of reaction to Iran crossing the line of directly firing missiles at Israel, but it should be a highly symbolic response which minimizes the risk of things spiraling further. A targeted strike on an Iranian launch site would be a good option.

Do you think Iran was right to respond to the bombing of its embassy?
What would have been an appropriate response to that?
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Do you think Iran was right to respond to the bombing of its embassy?
What would have been an appropriate response to that?


Israel striking an embassy was a reckless move which escalated things. I get why the Iranians had to show some kind of response to that and don't mind the Iranian response too much. It was symbolic and geared more toward the Mullah regime keeping its face than toward actually causing notable damage. Israel can do something similar and then the matter can be considered settled.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 17 2024 05:06pm)
Israel striking an embassy was a reckless move which escalated things. I get why the Iranians had to show some kind of response to that and don't mind the Iranian response too much. It was symbolic and geared more toward the Mullah regime keeping its face than toward actually causing notable damage. Israel can do something similar and than the matter can be considered settled.

Why does Israel have any right to strike Iran now though? Iran responded to Israel's escalation, if Israel attacks Iran now is that not an escalation?

They may lose face but that was a risk they took when they attacked the Iranian embassy, whether you agree with the decision or not.
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US President Biden: “ I made it clear to Israel, don’t move on to Haifa"

The leader of the free world can't remember the difference between Israel and Palestine..
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Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Apr 17 2024 11:22pm)
Why does Israel have any right to strike Iran now though? Iran responded to Israel's escalation, if Israel attacks Iran now is that not an escalation?

They may lose face but that was a risk they took when they attacked the Iranian embassy, whether you agree with the decision or not.


Iran is striking Israel on a daily basis through its proxies. That guy at the embassy most likely planed on executing something large.
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