d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Us Makes Up Fantasy Over Imminent Russian Invasion
Prev1102103104105106211Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 15,966
Joined: Jun 27 2010
Gold: 102,354.50
Feb 24 2022 09:44am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Feb 24 2022 04:38pm)
yes letting Putin run free in attacking countries is exactly the stance we should take.


Sure lets double down and give them hell hmm?

Let's just forget they've prepared for this for 2 decades, have completely overhauled and modernized their military and just see where this will go. Great idea dude
Member
Posts: 31,992
Joined: Oct 25 2005
Gold: 3,863.50
Feb 24 2022 09:45am
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Jan 23 2022 05:07pm)
Seriously? Who is dumb enough to believe this tripe these days?
?


thx. added to profile.
Member
Posts: 27,048
Joined: Dec 21 2007
Gold: 14,569.69
Feb 24 2022 09:45am
Quote (Djunior @ Feb 24 2022 07:44am)
Sure lets double down and give them hell hmm?

Let's just forget they've prepared for this for 2 decades, have completely overhauled and modernized their military and just see where this will go. Great idea dude


ok snowflake let them go from Ukraine/to Poland to Bulgaria etc.
Member
Posts: 32,103
Joined: Dec 29 2009
Gold: 0.00
Feb 24 2022 09:45am
Member
Posts: 50,834
Joined: Jan 20 2010
Gold: 5,846.00
Feb 24 2022 09:47am
Quote (fender @ Feb 24 2022 09:38am)
as weapon technology evolves, proximity matters less. SLBMs all over the oceans, ICBMs in hundreds of (secret) silo locations. i'm not completely dismissing the strategic advantage of proximity or a first strike, what i'm saying is that putin knows as well as the rest of the world that mutual assured destruction would STILL be the outcome, and it's a very effective deterrent (see north korea).

and again, russia ALREADY has multiple NATO members at its border.

you repeatedly ignoring the points that debunk your pro-russian narrative doesn't mean they are invalid. talk about clueless and one-sided, lol.


The only purpose of intermediate range missiles stationed at the border is to be first-strike weapons to disable those ICBMs before they launch. Precisely because they aren't hidden in the oceans or silos everywhere, and their only possible use is to be launched before the other side launches, in order to take out as many of those silos as they can. The reason for the cuban missile crisis was that first strike weapons violate the principles of mutually assured destruction, they require a preemptive attack. An existential threat that would plunge us into nuclear holocaust. When one side starts lining up intermediate range missiles on a border, that MAD deterrent is removed and a necessity to strike first is created.

Even with modern technology and submarine launches, enough intermediate missiles being staged would wipe out enough silos before a response could be ordered, that one side could take "minimal" damage in return while obliterating the other. That's why we had treaties to not only prevent the staging of such missiles but even their development. And the Russians started violating those treaties and making intermediate missiles again, to compete with the Chinese who were making those missiles while not subject to the treaty, while the US also developed them too and R&D portion of the treaty was basically annulled. But nobody was actually staging them on borders yet, that would be insane after the Cuban missile crisis.
Member
Posts: 32,103
Joined: Dec 29 2009
Gold: 0.00
Feb 24 2022 09:49am
No publicly trackable aircraft are operating over Ukrainian airspace right now. Not really surprising, as traffic over the area has been extremely sparse for days now, but there was usually a handful visible.

Member
Posts: 15,966
Joined: Jun 27 2010
Gold: 102,354.50
Feb 24 2022 09:52am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Feb 24 2022 04:45pm)
ok snowflake let them go from Ukraine/to Poland to Bulgaria etc.


Bruh..

This isn't about taking NATO territory..
Member
Posts: 50,834
Joined: Jan 20 2010
Gold: 5,846.00
Feb 24 2022 09:52am
Quote (Surfpunk @ Feb 24 2022 09:45am)


For a grandmaster, he's incapable of seeing more than one move ahead or identifying which pieces are under attack
Yeah we'll just undo 30 years of geopolitics overnight and replace Russian oil gas and wheat by using magical fairy dust to summon enough LNG terminals and boats and isolate Russia on a world stage while they expand their sphere of influence in actions nobody in the world lifts a finger to oppose, and of course repeal the first amendment for good measure. He's got a board of 3 pawns against someone whos kept ever piece and promoted to queen three times and he thinks its time to go on the offensive.
Member
Posts: 28,880
Joined: Aug 11 2013
Gold: 10,712.00
Feb 24 2022 09:55am
Quote (IgoSoHard @ Feb 24 2022 10:38am)
China is loving this. Putin met with Xi a few weeks ago, & while China isn’t publicly condoning this, they definitely do. They have Taiwan in their cross hairs & its probably only a matter of time before they make a move


I think it will be slower than people expect. I think the Chinese will wait for the west to exhaust themselves with what's happening in Europe. It's also useful to them to study and see how the US/West responds to this so as to know what to expect.

By the time they move on Taiwan, I think the world is going to be extremely confrontation averse and the calls to stand up/defend Taiwan are going to be much weaker.
Member
Posts: 18,211
Joined: Jul 15 2014
Gold: 107.77
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1102103104105106211Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll