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Nov 4 2020 06:05am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 4 2020 06:53am)
Want a real kick in the gut? California could go to Trump. For all the votes Biden is ahead, if every single one of the remaining 36% of votes went to Trump, he'd not only win, he'd win by a fair bit. No, I'm not saying this would ever happen. I'm making the point that they are holding back known numbers to try to push a narrative.


Sorry, but that's not how projections work

If you roll a ball down a hill, you can project (with a reasonable degree of certainty) that the ball is going to reach the bottom of the hill. This is especially true when you have rolled the same ball down the same hill many times before.

For the sake of projections, you don't need to worry about the possibilities that something unforeseeable happens, like a huge gust of wind comes in and pushes the ball up ... or that a bolt of lightning suddenly strikes the ball and fries it to a crisp.

Once a likelihood of winning is 99.5% or greater (which is the case in Cali as soon as the polls close) a media outlet can declare their projection. Projections have been wrong before and they will eventually be wrong again. Projections don't win the race. But they are within the scope of how the media covers elections.

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Nov 4 2020 06:09am
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Sorry, but that's not how projections work

If you roll a ball down a hill, you can project (with a reasonable degree of certainty) that the ball is going to reach the bottom of the hill. This is especially true when you have rolled the same ball down the same hill many times before.

For the sake of projections, you don't need to worry about the possibilities that something unforeseeable happens, like a huge gust of wind comes in and pushes the ball up ... or that a bolt of lightning suddenly strikes the ball and fries it to a crisp.

Once a likelihood of winning is 99.5% or greater (which is the case in Cali as soon as the polls close) a media outlet can declare their projection. Projections have been wrong before and they will eventually be wrong again. Projections don't win the race. But they are within the scope of how the media covers elections.


outlets were delcaring projections as low as 0% reporting btw
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Nov 4 2020 06:11am
I heard trump has claimed a victory without 270 electoral votes. This a new standard?
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Quote (Skinned @ Nov 4 2020 08:11am)
I heard trump has claimed a victory without 270 electoral votes. This a new standard?


Yea, didn't you hear about that new constitutional amendment last week? Trump only needs 200 to win, everyone else needs 270.

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Nov 4 2020 06:17am
Quote (Kayeto @ Nov 4 2020 04:05am)
Sorry, but that's not how projections work

If you roll a ball down a hill, you can project (with a reasonable degree of certainty) that the ball is going to reach the bottom of the hill. This is especially true when you have rolled the same ball down the same hill many times before.

For the sake of projections, you don't need to worry about the possibilities that something unforeseeable happens, like a huge gust of wind comes in and pushes the ball up ... or that a bolt of lightning suddenly strikes the ball and fries it to a crisp.

Once a likelihood of winning is 99.5% or greater (which is the case in Cali as soon as the polls close) a media outlet can declare their projection. Projections have been wrong before and they will eventually be wrong again. Projections don't win the race. But they are within the scope of how the media covers elections.


Perhaps you should read the AP guidelines for declaring a state. Because according to their own guidelines, they only call a state, winner, or measure when it's locked in, aka no chance it's an incorrect forecast.

Yet again, they had called Hawaii with 0% reporting, while polls were still open. You're attempting to point at the projections of individual media companies. I'm looking at the numbers supplied by the Associated Press, who touts themselves as the "no-narrative" source for live updates to election counts.

AKA, they wouldn't "project" that the ball reaches the bottom of the hill. Maybe somebody grabs it, maybe it gets run over, maybe a meteor hits it. They don't know until they have the facts of the matter. Part of the reason many of the media companies use the AP election counts as a source is specifically because they can tout the factual nature of the counts while simultaneously making their own wild projections that may or may not be accurate. :)

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Nov 4 2020 06:19am
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Nov 4 2020 06:22am
Trump only ahead by 10k votes now in Michigan?

Nobody is going to accept the election results.
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Trump only ahead by 10k votes now in Michigan?

Nobody is going to accept the election results.


Michigan shouldn't even count, what a dump of a state.
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Nov 4 2020 06:24am
InsaneBobb may I ask who you voted for?
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Whew. Close. Just woke up 30 mins ago and did the math. Note, Biden needs 3 of these states + Nevada to win.

Wisconsin - Biden has a 20k vote lead, but that'll expand a little bit as the last of the mail-in votes get counted, majority of which are democrat.
Arizona - This was pretty much done last night, but the outstanding votes are in democratic regions so Biden should have zero concern here.
Michigan - Down to just a 26k Trump lead. Tons of outstanding votes in Wayne County and outside Lansing and Kalamazoo. Biden should ultimately win this pretty easily. He should take over the lead in the coming hours.
Georgia - Still tough to call. Biden is down a lot, but Fulton and Dekalb are the big ones with outstanding votes and there are more than enough with margin to have Biden pull this out, which is why the NY Times kept their tilt in the Biden lane around midnight last night.
Pennsylvania - Only 75% of the vote in with Trump up by 600,000. Yes, Biden will shrink this a ton, but he could still lose by a good 100k or so unless an unreal number of these votes are democrat. It's basically all mail-in votes, so there's still an outside shot Biden pulls this out.
Nevada - Biden has a tiny lead, but the place with the majority of votes to count are in Vegas, which leans Biden. So Biden should win relatively easy.
NE baby district - This 1 vote could be critical, and it's safely Biden now. If Biden takes say Michigan OR Georgia + Nevada + Wisconsin + Arizona, that's 269. So that 1 Nebraska vote puts him to 270.

Biden likely wins at this point as the only 2 that seem unsafe for Biden are PA and GA, and Biden does not need either of them to win.

This post was edited by AspenSniper on Nov 4 2020 06:26am
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Nov 4 2020 06:27am
Ballots suddenly having a 10-to-1 Biden ratio in WI. Sounds odd as hell to me. And his lead basically instantly vanished there. Loses 100k lead instantly.

Okay. Lol


Same happened with Michigan. Instantly.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Nov 4 2020 06:28am
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