i will, i gotta go for several hours and il be back.
il answer every single question you would ask.

just that one question. sorry if i got you riled up.

My statement is: Israel (government) policies in the West Bank and Gaza are feeding into Hamas and armed terrorist activities within Israel for generations to come. We should expect, as a consequence of these policies that there will be more terrorist activities, continual disproportionate responses, accelerated brutal suppression and displacement of palestinians, murder and ethnic cleansing on a large scale for decades to come.

Please try to refute that. This is basically what we have already seen (and you have already experienced) for years. With no change in plan, you cant expect a different outcome.

The entire position of "they kill 1 of ours we kill 1000 of theirs" is ignoring the argument from the other side where they would reciprocate.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 12 2024 09:56am

simply answer, you might not like it, that's life.

Israel's attempts and timeline over the years ( such as Oslo , Israeli Disengagement ) have all failed, and failed on the worst possible way. every single act Israel has ever took in the past 25 years brought us to this point.
there are no partners, no Nelson Mandelas , no one Israel can speak to on a practical level to advance to something else ( like peace, cold peace etc ).
since there is nothing else for us, this is the only true reality you see right now. nothing can change when every single thing Israel has given over the years, we received only rockets and bombs.

now i said you won't like my answer, im getting there.

the average Palestinian mentality is - "from the river to.. " \ "the land is ours" basically - nothing or everything.

what Israel should change - punishment. taking more land. Palestinians should be punished ( 70%+ are pro Hamas ) by not only dying by an Israeli hand, but also taking away the land they spilled Israeli blood on ( Gaza )

where to put them ? Joran, Egypt. the ones who seek a peaceful life - fine stay in Gaza and be a good civilian.

i don't expect understanding since you must understand and accept those mentalities first. ( nothing or everything )

I do understand, but honestly, what i fail to understand is why Israel has not simply annexed the westbank outright. this occupation is monumentally dumb. leaving the west bank as an occupied territory were you claim more and more portions of it each year, displacing millions of people, this is all like an open would to the palestinians (and to the international community) that festers. just be the bad guys and annex the whole lot in one go, get it over with, no more brutalization of your minorities. No one in the UN really cares about the Palestinians to do anything and you have the US veto, but we see them as human, not animals, and we thought the israeli government had western aligned values, not... what they are. (i have been as polite as possible here).

and looking for a war with Iran is dumb as well, but here we are.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 12 2024 11:24am

how do we seek war with Iran, if Iran has already waged ( proxies ) war upon us for decades. again ( no disrespect ) - it gets to the same damn thing all the time, outsiders can sure look on the western values ( some already failed ) and the Iranian general that Israel took several weeks ago.

but, the same outsiders have absolutly no clue or maybe they choose not to speak about it, the fact that Iran has already waged war way way way earlier. and if that isn't clear, il explain:

there is no need to assassinate a general to wage a war. you can also ARM to the teeth proxies ( Hezbollah for example ) that sits on your enemy border, without risking a direct attack.

you people need to wake, Israel's wet dream is long lasting ( can be cold \ warm w\e ) peace with everyone around them.

you seek where the troubles began ? Iran, 1979.
you wanna go earlier ? blame the Brits. we took the land by wars, and it will forever remain ours.
will it be the hard way ? fine, we can take it.

it is up to the Israeli government what policies it wants to follow, but to reiterate what I have said (to many of my israeli friends!), you are far better off making babies then looking to escalate conflicts, and israels current policies will not make israel safe.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 12 2024 11:29am

Speaking of red alert:

A red alert has been issued for Kiryat Shmona after 50+ missles/drones were fired from Lebanon. It appears that the iron dome/patriot systems have intercepted them successfully.

Also, the US,UK,France and India are telling their citizens to gtfo from Iran and Israel.

you can't sit quietly while people around you wants you dead. that's the one Jewish state in the world ( also contains Arab-Israelis, Christians etc ) surrounded by a LOT of heat.

we can take care ourselves, and yes we do accept and acknowledge the fact the we need the U.S.

i believe that on the long run, Israel will narrow it's dependencies ( mostly militarily stuff ) on the U.S from various reasons. it will take time, but i think that's a direction
my country is going for.

time will tell.

Look, I agree with you, you are surrounded on all sides by fanatic's. your in a shit position. However, if Israel moves away from the US it will literally get F*****. The US is your international big brother and to dismiss everything the US does for you is quite frankly, ideological suicidal. If you part ways with the US you will have to get into bed with either Russia or China, and there is no history of that. Israel can simply not afford to stand alone in the world, it needs a big brother.

I am not downplaying Israeli's abilities, nuclear weapons etc. but if it parts ways with the US and no longer has a big brother looking out for it your looking at MAD.

The whole UN, apart from Israel and the US, wants the US to stop supporting Israel. There is something seriously wrong with Israeli world view if it thinks that it no longer needs or wants the US.

Biden said it clearly - the current path is a mistake. I refer to Biden as Genocide Joe, but he is totally right here - he is trying to stop an ally from making bad moves. That is not a reason to shit on the US, but here we are.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 12 2024 11:42am

Why do you insist to weld two nations which clearly has almost nothing in comment to live together ? You think there will be peace ?
Annex the West Bank and what, call them all Israelis ? They don’t want that. They don’t want to be Israelis.
I’ve asked you before what do you think that the Palestinians want. What is their idea of peace. You wrote a lot comparing this situation to others… but you forgot that here we are dealing with Islam. Jihad. Nothing like Ireland to be honest.