Are you incapable of accepting any blame whatsoever ?

Of course I accept. That’s in my Jewish blood. We always blame ourselves.
Why is the Temple Mount ruined, our fault.
Why are we losing wars, god is angry at us for us not behaving properly.
Why are the Palestinians not happy ? Our fault. Let’s get out from Gaza, bring them in Qatari money and employ some of them. Maybe they’ll be happy.

I’m very concerned about settlers in the West Bank and about the war in Gaza. I’m concerned about a solution to all that etc and I mostly disagree to my gov policy.
However, I’ll say it in the million time, the side that REALLY needs to change are the Palestinians. They hold the keys for peace and are actively preventing it from happen. You can’t raise a generation after generation of refugees, but they are doing it.
You don’t like to hear it because you believe that the strong side must be the side accountable and responsible over the weak side. I know it’s hard to hear that the so called oppressed are constantly choosing to be oppressed.
I’m talking macro here.

When I’m saying “choose to be oppressed” I mean that if someone, anyone, thinks that he is oppressed and really truly believe that, he is oppressed. And again, not a single soldier was in Gaza prior to 10/7. How were they oppressed? Financially ? How ??? They have a border with Egypt. Why no one is talking about that? Is Egypt oppressing the Gazans to?

This post was edited by WhiteSouned on Apr 12 2024 04:57am

Black people in the US found their freedom through a series of events which occurred in American (white) society (revolution and civil war). Black people in South Africa found their freedom through their own peaceful protest in the face of South African (white) oppression, various contributing factors including international pressure and the release of Nelson Mandela. Ireland achieved its independence in part due to terrorist/resistance activities against the colonial power. Algeria also falls into that boat.

Ok.
Please describe to me how peace looks like in Palestinian eyes. What do they want ?

sec on a call, the above post was interupted. will revert later.

These articles will only increase the longer you wait on taking rafah and block hamas aid through Egypt.

Rafah was green lit about a month ago and since then Israel has not come closer to achieving its stated military objectives and Israelis are holding massive protests calling for bibis resignation.

There's only one brigade left in Gaza and the jobs still not done and people are understandably getting antsy. All hamas has to do is survive in order to win and the longer yall wait, the more likely that is to happen.

Yes, in my opinion hamas isn't exactly losing this war. This would change in a heartbeat once (if) you take the Philadelphi strait but talks cheap Holmes.

This post was edited by zorzin on Apr 12 2024 05:36am

I do not agree with the claim Israel is oppressing palestinians.
I do agree they need a brave type of leadership that muslims in their current status cant produce.



We should have taken more activist approach.
You can blame people for action they made or didnt made to prevent.
Israel didnt initiated anything and that is a reason we the people of Israel blaming our government.


This post was edited by Many_Names on Apr 12 2024 05:48am

You are wasting your time this guy doesnt understand anything.
He thinks he plays red alert

Referring to my post (above).

Israel is a bit different from the above examples (US, South Africa, Ireland, Algeria)

i.e.

1. In the case of the United States. Israel of today bares little or no similarities with the US and their enslavement of black people. The black people had no voice, no government, little or no rights and change came not from Black people, but rather from within American (white) society. For Israels situation to be similar to the United states, the more moderate (jewish) rulers of Israel would have to have the power to confront the more right wing extremist parties, and there is no evidence to support a rise in moderate tendencies to lead to such a revolt/civil war. The moderates in Israel would not countenance such a move, noting Israel is surrounded by external enemies on all sides and Israel must be united to deal with this constant threat.
2. In the case of South Africa, there is no meaningful political movement in Palestinian society for the peaceful emancipation of the Palestinian people. There are a number of factors which play here: We know that the Israeli government propped up Hamas as a counterweight against the Palestinian Authority to ensure the two state solution would never be born and to keep Palestinian society divided. International pressure is also hamstrung by the United States giving Israel a blank cheque to do whatever they want without international sanction where in the case of South Africa and Ireland / Northern Ireland the United States in fact played a key role to end hostilities. Palestinian leadership remains fractured (PA and Hamas) and there is no evidence to support the end of Hamas as either a group or idea. TLDR: peaceful solution similar to South Africa is not likely.
3. In the case of Ireland, Israel is again different. In this scenario we will call Ireland "Jordan". However, Northern Ireland does bear some similarities with Israel. When Northern Ireland was formed (more then 100 years ago now) it had two distinct peoples - "Nationalists" (Catholics) and Unionists (Protestants). Israel is quite similar in that it has two distinct groups (for want of a better expression) who are opposed to each other along various ideological lines etc. In Northern Ireland the Catholics tried, initially, via peaceful protests, to find a solution to the treatment they suffered, but they were brutally suppressed, which led to the growth of more extreme views and policies, in the IRA and later PIRA (lets call them Irish Hamas). This led to extensive terrorist activities over a long number of years and is well documented. Cooler heads eventually prevailed, both in Northern Ireland, Ireland, England and the US, and through a joint effort the "war" basically ended when the Good Friday Agreement was signed. The US should be heavily credited for this.

TLDR: The US would have to change its policy towards Israel in order for some kind of solution to be found, and it would need to find partners for peace within Israel, of which there are currently none on either side. There is no evidence to support the notion that the US has the conviction to press this matter. While a change in leadership in Israel is expected in the short term, there is no driver for a change of direction. Israel has no where to go, they cant and wont leave, they cant and wont find a peaceful solution on their own for decades and they will continue to annex more land. A legal decision re: the West Bank is required (i.e. defined borders) and in the absence of same we can only expect to see the definition of stupidity. i.e. same events, expecting a different outcome.

i.e. more terrorist activities, disproportionate responses, brutal suppression, murder and ethnic cleansing for decades to come.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 12 2024 06:49am

Israel is a bit different ? a bit ? handling with Jihad extremists is the same as Africa's past issues ? Black people in the U.S ? Jesus.

how many Palestinians do you think Putin or Assad or even Trump would kill after Oct.7 ?

do you agree with the nukes of ww2 ? was it as disproportion response as you stated Israel is using against the Palestinians ?or was it justified in order to save years of war and deaths ?

you need to make friends with Jihad-extremists in order to understand that your Nelson Mandela for the Palestinians will be hanged and beheaded the minute he will open his mouth.
those people wants Israel's death. that's it, nothing in your analysis is relevant to the reality in the middle east.