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Apr 11 2024 09:28am
Quote (ferdia @ Apr 11 2024 09:39am)
I find it simply astounding that ^darksoho had his post sanctioned for saying the R word when we see calls for genocide, frank admission of racism, supremacist comments and not batting an eye at ethnic cleansing.

I just dont understand Israel's position, they are literally cooking the next 20-40 years of hatred. all these children that are being left behind (well the ones that survive), some of them are going to grow up and you expect them to turn the other cheek? Sure you can bomb them into oblivion but you wont get them all and they are seriously going to hold a grudge.


no worries about the suspension, some users are clicking the report, some don't. i don't.

on Israel's position - why do you believe we are cooking hatred ? truth of this matter, is that people around the world forgot Oct.7th. it's not complicated it's the sole reason that we are taking a hit on the media.

have people forgot the missile that landed on a populated area in Gaza and they blamed Israel for it ? anyone even remember it was a Jihad's rocket ? nope, it's no longer interesting news.
that's like 90% of our problems. bad media.

i will say it again - Hamas is done, it's a matter of time before everyone of thier leaders is gone by an Israeli hand. this is sealed, the only thing that is changing right now is the way to achive it.
we are affected by the U.S elections, within-Israel issues etc.

the bottom line is that the IDF is no longer gonna get "narrowed" , it's actually returning to it's earlier form decades ago, meaning Israel's next years\decade ahead is gonna invest a LOT in the IDF
both in making it bigger and more efficient.

the world is not participating the war. we are fighting in our home, so whatever the world thinks that will happen - the goal of cleansing Hamas is a matter of time and it hasn't changed.

on the grudge thing - it's an illusion. Gaza civilian's aren't gonna accept anything related to a Jewish state.. they would die before they will make peace, it's not something we would prefer as Israeli's but it's their mentality.
they don't want anything aside the entire land.
that's reality.

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Quote (ferdia @ 11 Apr 2024 17:37)
just finished it now. I agree with his argument, not sure of your view of the last few minutes of it, noting he is rightfully highlighting the oppression of the Palestinians. But his solution looks pretty good to me. Basically Palestinians (for want of a better expression) through non violence, should provoke Israel to violence in an attempt to create a dialogue in Israeli politic's in order to seek to diminish the far right (for want of a better expression) ideology of hate that exists and dominates in the current Israeli politic's/discourse and to replace it with a more left, or liberal, open minded, non violent leadership, that is willing to consider the plight of the Palestinians. Fantasy i know, but we all are allowed to dream of a brighter future.

My own view is that this would be a decades long endeavor, but if the US could beat Black Slavery, and if South Africa could beat Apartheid, then why cant the Palestinians have their own Martin Luthor King or Nelson Mandela.


I now know why they call us colonialist even tho we have stronger claims on the land.
I think the violence is what brought us oslo.
We actually had a leader who was prepared to eat suicide bombings, bus explosions, rapes, killing, shooting just for the sake of peace and he was eventually murdered by a far right fanatic.

I think that if the Palestinians had a leader who was prepared back than it was already over.

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Quote (Many_Names @ Apr 11 2024 04:38pm)
I now know why they call us colonialist even tho we have stronger claims on the land.
I think the violence is what brought us oslo.
We actually had a leader who was prepared to eat suicide bombings, bus explosions, rapes, killing, shooting just for the sake of peace and he was eventually murdered by a far right fanatic.

I think that if the Palestinians had a leader who was prepared back than it was already over.


I agree.
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Apr 11 2024 07:29pm
I'll be accepting your apologies now:

Saying What Can't Be Said: Israel Has Been Defeated – a Total Defeat
The war's aims won't be achieved, the hostages won't be returned through military pressure, security won't be restored and Israel's international ostracism won't end

We've lost. Truth must be told. The inability to admit it encapsulates everything you need to know about Israel's individual and mass psychology. There's a clear, sharp, predictable reality that we should begin to fathom, to process, to understand and to draw conclusions from for the future. It's no fun to admit that we've lost, so we lie to ourselves.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-11/ty-article-magazine/.premium/saying-what-cant-be-said-israel-has-been-defeated-a-total-defeat/0000018e-cdab-dba9-a78e-efef6ba10000
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Quote (zorzin @ Apr 12 2024 03:29am)
I'll be accepting your apologies now:

Saying What Can't Be Said: Israel Has Been Defeated – a Total Defeat
The war's aims won't be achieved, the hostages won't be returned through military pressure, security won't be restored and Israel's international ostracism won't end

We've lost. Truth must be told. The inability to admit it encapsulates everything you need to know about Israel's individual and mass psychology. There's a clear, sharp, predictable reality that we should begin to fathom, to process, to understand and to draw conclusions from for the future. It's no fun to admit that we've lost, so we lie to ourselves.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-11/ty-article-magazine/.premium/saying-what-cant-be-said-israel-has-been-defeated-a-total-defeat/0000018e-cdab-dba9-a78e-efef6ba10000


LMAO

basically you are quoting a leftist Israeli reporter from who is also a Btselem activist.

what a troll you are for wasting everyone's time.
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Quote (Many_Names @ Apr 11 2024 06:38pm)
I now know why they call us colonialist even tho we have stronger claims on the land.
I think the violence is what brought us oslo.
We actually had a leader who was prepared to eat suicide bombings, bus explosions, rapes, killing, shooting just for the sake of peace and he was eventually murdered by a far right fanatic.

I think that if the Palestinians had a leader who was prepared back than it was already over.


this video clearly demonstrates the relation between the Arabs to their pride and Islam
While in the other side there is a nation of refugees which their sole desire is to establish a state. No matter how big or small.
Your conclusion in the end is exactly what we’ve been saying all along this conflict.
The sole reason for the conflict not being solved by now are the Palestinians. They have the keys to end it.
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Apr 12 2024 02:39am
Quote (WhiteSouned @ 12 Apr 2024 11:28)
this video clearly demonstrates the relation between the Arabs to their pride and Islam
While in the other side there is a nation of refugees which their sole desire is to establish a state. No matter how big or small.
Your conclusion in the end is exactly what we’ve been saying all along this conflict.
The sole reason for the conflict not being solved by now are the Palestinians. They have the keys to end it.


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Apr 12 2024 03:26am
to be very clear now:

The Israeli Government, backed by more then 60%? of its people, have been oppressing the Palestinians for some time now. The Palestinians use terrorism to strike back. The video, which you both agree with, is suggesting that rather than through violence, the Palestinians need a Nelson Mandela type figure, who is meant to turn the other cheek, and through peaceful protests over the next 20 years (while Israel continues its ethnic cleansing and disproportionately killing Palestinians) he is meant to change Israel's mind.

and critically, the fact that the Palestinians do not have such a figure, is THEIR FAULT. can you not see the failure in logic here ? One side is oppressing the other and you are not putting any fault on the side oppressing the other. can you not just say that both sides have serious issues that have to be dealt with.



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Quote (ferdia @ Apr 12 2024 12:26pm)
to be very clear now:

The Israeli Government, backed by more then 60%? of its people, have been oppressing the Palestinians for some time now. The Palestinians use terrorism to strike back. The video, which you both agree with, is suggesting that rather through violence, the Palestinians need a Nelson Mandela type figure, who is meant to turn the other cheek, and through peaceful protests over the next 20 years (while Israel continues its ethnic cleansing and disproportionately killing Palestinians) he is meant to change Israel's mind.

and critically, the fact that the Palestinians do not have such a figure, is THEIR FAULT. can you not see the failure in logic here ?


The entire argument is that the way which they constantly choose to act in is wrong and will continue to bring them the exact opposite result.
So yea, that’s on them. They should gather all their leaders into one room and come out with a strategy which is good enough for two state solution. They’ll need to climb down from their demand to “free Palestine”.
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