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Quote (Many_Names @ Apr 11 2024 12:43pm)
Debating in bad faith is keep repeating the same statement even if you dont have anything to back it up.
For example:
Genocide, ethnic clensing etc…

Why are Jews called Jews?


Dear ChatGPT:

Debating in bad faith refers to engaging in a discussion or argument with dishonest intentions or tactics. Instead of genuinely seeking to understand and exchange ideas, a person debating in bad faith may employ strategies such as:

Dishonesty: They may knowingly present false information or distort facts to support their argument.

Misrepresentation: They may misrepresent their opponent's arguments or positions to make them appear weaker or easier to refute.

Personal attacks: Instead of addressing the substance of the argument, they may resort to attacking the character or motives of their opponent.

Moving goalposts: They may continuously shift the focus of the debate or change the criteria for what constitutes a valid argument, making it difficult for their opponent to engage in productive discussion.

Ignoring evidence: They may ignore or dismiss evidence that contradicts their position, refusing to consider alternative viewpoints.

Deflection: Rather than addressing valid points raised by their opponent, they may deflect attention away from their own arguments by changing the subject or introducing irrelevant topics.

Overall, debating in bad faith undermines the integrity of the discussion and makes it challenging to reach a meaningful resolution or understanding.

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Your welcome.

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The Genocide Claim:

you have stated there is no distinction between Hamas and Palestinians. Your government has stated its aim is to wipe Hamas off the map and it has carpet bombed gaza killing no less then 30,000 people and displacing over 1M people in the last 6 months.

Genocide: the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

Fact : Yes.

The Ethnic Cleansing Claim:

I outlined this morning, multiple reports over multiple years of the mass displacement of people in the West Bank and Gaza. There are multiple supporting links and video's provided.

Ethnic Cleansing: the mass expulsion or killing of members of one ethnic or religious group in an area by those of another.

Fact : Yes.

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YOU are saying I am debating in Bad Faith, when the facts speak for themselves and you are not supporting your position to links, video's or anything of the like. Therefore YOU are the bad faith actor, not me.

In order to refute the claim of genocide you would have to delete all your posts where you said there was no distinction between Hamas and Palestinians and you would have to ask your government to pull down all its videos calling for the complete destruction of a people it deems less then animals.

In order to refute the claim of ethnic cleansing, you would have to explain in detail why Israel continues to displace its minorities in the westbank, and israel would have to not settle in Gaza after the war.

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Quote (ferdia @ 11 Apr 2024 14:48)
Dear ChatGPT:

Debating in bad faith refers to engaging in a discussion or argument with dishonest intentions or tactics. Instead of genuinely seeking to understand and exchange ideas, a person debating in bad faith may employ strategies such as:

Dishonesty: They may knowingly present false information or distort facts to support their argument.

Misrepresentation: They may misrepresent their opponent's arguments or positions to make them appear weaker or easier to refute.

Personal attacks: Instead of addressing the substance of the argument, they may resort to attacking the character or motives of their opponent.

Moving goalposts: They may continuously shift the focus of the debate or change the criteria for what constitutes a valid argument, making it difficult for their opponent to engage in productive discussion.

Ignoring evidence: They may ignore or dismiss evidence that contradicts their position, refusing to consider alternative viewpoints.

Deflection: Rather than addressing valid points raised by their opponent, they may deflect attention away from their own arguments by changing the subject or introducing irrelevant topics.

Overall, debating in bad faith undermines the integrity of the discussion and makes it challenging to reach a meaningful resolution or understanding.

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Your welcome.




Quote (ferdia @ 11 Apr 2024 14:53)
The Genocide Claim:

you have stated there is no distinction between Hamas and Palestinians. Your government has stated its aim is to wipe Hamas off the map.

Genocide: the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

Fact : Yes.

The Ethnic Cleansing Claim:

I outlined this morning, multiple reports over multiple years of the mass displacement of people in the West Bank and Gaza, and it is widely reported that at least 30,000 are dead in Gaza since Israel attacked.

Ethnic Cleansing: the mass expulsion or killing of members of one ethnic or religious group in an area by those of another.

Fact : Yes.

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YOU are saying I am debating in Bad Faith, when the facts speak for themselves.


I have no interest in fighting at all.
Fact: no genocide.

I clearly stated numerous times even in numbers, that hamas are around 40,000-50,000 terrorists and those needed be killed exiled or surrender.
Fact: no genocide.

The reports you posted are irrelevant.
Palestinian can go into some empty land and start building his house.
Israeli government will come evict him and this will be on the report.
What will not be on those reports are the amount of jews who did the same thing and were evicted.
Fact: no ethnic clensing.

Furthermore 22% of Israel population are muslim Arabs.
No one try to ethnic clens them.


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The 6.3% were to give in some different area.
Would you not accept it?

Would a genocidal maniac people, that want to ethnic clens do that?

Fact: no

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I have no interest in fighting at all.
Fact: no genocide.

I clearly stated numerous times even in numbers, that hamas are around 40,000-50,000 terrorists and those needed be killed exiled or surrender.
Fact: no genocide.

The reports you posted are irrelevant.
Palestinian can go into some empty land and start building his house.
Israeli government will come evict him and this will be on the report.
What will not be on those reports are the amount of jews who did the same thing and were evicted.
Fact: no ethnic clensing.

Furthermore 22% of Israel population are muslim Arabs.
No one try to ethnic clens them.


you are seriously debating in bad faith, when it is a known fact that Israel has ever encroached further and further into the westbank over decades.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/18/mapping-israeli-occupation-gaza-palestine

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Quote (ferdia @ 11 Apr 2024 15:02)
you are seriously debating in bad faith, when it is a known fact that Israel has ever encroached further and further into the westbank over decades.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/18/mapping-israeli-occupation-gaza-palestine


I’ve been living in Israel my entire life. And I am completely certain the average Israeli would be ecstatic to put down their weapons and be complete friends with their neighboring Palestinians and other countries.


Israelis don’t hate Arabs. They don’t anyone who doesn’t hate them. The average person in this country just wants to go to the beach, eat falafel, drink some coffee, and comfortably pay their bills. They don’t want to kill. They certainly don’t want to see their friends and families killed. Their greatest desire is to just move on and have a normal life.

But the ball’s not in our court. As Golda Meir famously said, “If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more ‎violence. If the Jews put ‎down their weapons ‎today, there would be no ‎more Israel” We want to stop fighting. But war and hatred will always be the norm so long as someone wants to kill us. If they can move on, peace is possible.


As to why doesn't Israel stop building settlements if it really wants peace?

There are settlements that were aimed at restoring former Jewish areas that existed in the West Bank prior to 1967 but had been cleansed of their population by the Jordanians, or the Arabs who lived there (Hebron massacre for example) This is the case in Jerusalem, H2 in Hebron, Shiloh, the Gush Etzion area and parts of the Jordan Valley.
These ones will most likey remain a part of Israel for both religious and historical ties and because some of them have a lot of people now.

Gush Etzion will definitely never become a part of the Palestinian state. It was actually one of the most Jewish areas of the British mandate before the Arabs massacred the original population

There are settlements that were established to basically extend the depth of the Gush Dan and are militarily strategic. A lot of the settlements in the triangle area between Modi'in Ilit, Ariel and the Jesusalem-Tel Aviv Highway are of this kind.
Israel will never let these ones go either because they are now home to hundreds of thousands of people and even in past agreements, it was agreed that this area would become a part of Israel.

Same to those like Tekoa and the likes can easily be incorporated into Israel as well
There are settlements that are basically urban spillovers from Israel proper. A part of Jerusalem is this way like Maale Adumin. A few of these can be given back to the Palestinians though or land swaps.

Hilltop settlements. These are settlements that have been deliberately established to disrupt the creation of a Palestinian state, with many of them being established right next to Palestinian towns and cities. These ones are the ones that are the most problematic and IMO but not one was expelled for those lands it simply unjust in my opinion and Israel (not right now ofc, will evict them)

But nothing will happened until the Arabs will accept our presence.
Until than we will keep building, defending, fighting what ever is necessary to protect Israelis both Arabs and Jews


AlJazeera is funded by Qatar who also funds Hamas they are the ones who posted the hospital bombardment which never happened and rest of the bs

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Quote (Many_Names @ Apr 11 2024 01:20pm)
I’ve been living in Israel my entire life. And I am completely certain the average Israeli would be ecstatic to put down their weapons and be complete friends with their neighboring Palestinians and other countries. (I am not refuting this)


Israelis don’t hate Arabs. They don’t anyone who doesn’t hate them. The average person in this country just wants to go to the beach, eat falafel, drink some coffee, and comfortably pay their bills. They don’t want to kill. They certainly don’t want to see their friends and families killed. Their greatest desire is to just move on and have a normal life. (I am not refuting this)

But the ball’s not in our court. As Golda Meir famously said, “If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more ‎violence. If the Jews put ‎down their weapons ‎today, there would be no ‎more Israel” We want to stop fighting. But war and hatred will always be the norm so long as someone wants to kill us. If they can move on, peace is possible. (This is well said)


As to why doesn't Israel stop building settlements if it really wants peace?

There are settlements that were aimed at restoring former Jewish areas that existed in the West Bank prior to 1967 but had been cleansed of their population by the Jordanians, or the Arabs who lived there (Hebron massacre for example) This is the case in Jerusalem, H2 in Hebron, Shiloh, the Gush Etzion area and parts of the Jordan Valley. These ones will most likey remain a part of Israel for both religious and historical ties and because some of them have a lot of people now.

Gush Etzion will definitely never become a part of the Palestinian state. It was actually one of the most Jewish areas of the British mandate before the Arabs massacred the original population

There are settlements that were established to basically extend the depth of the Gush Dan and are militarily strategic. A lot of the settlements in the triangle area between Modi'in Ilit, Ariel and the Jesusalem-Tel Aviv Highway are of this kind.
Israel will never let these ones go either because they are now home to hundreds of thousands of people and even in past agreements, it was agreed that this area would become a part of Israel.

Same to those like Tekoa and the likes can easily be incorporated into Israel as well
There are settlements that are basically urban spillovers from Israel proper. A part of Jerusalem is this way like Maale Adumin. A few of these can be given back to the Palestinians though or land swaps.

Hilltop settlements. These are settlements that have been deliberately established to disrupt the creation of a Palestinian state, with many of them being established right next to Palestinian towns and cities. These ones are the ones that are the most problematic and IMO but not one was expelled for those lands it simply unjust in my opinion and Israel (not right now ofc, will evict them) (all of this I can accept at face value).

But nothing will happened until the Arabs will accept our presence.
Until than we will keep building, defending, fighting what ever is necessary to protect Israelis both Arabs and Jews


my responses are bolded.
Fundamentally, the issue is how you are doing it. The policies associated with the west bank and gaza have utterly failed and continue to fail.

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Quote (ferdia @ 11 Apr 2024 15:23)
my responses are bolded.
Fundamentally, the issue is how you are doing it. The policies associated with the west bank and gaza have utterly failed and continue to fail.


I never stated Israelis and Israeli policy are perfect, but we defiantly Do not deserved to be raped maimed and butchered by jihadi group in the name of “uprising”

You can also say it about Palestinian policies

You need 2 for a tango

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Quote (Many_Names @ Apr 11 2024 01:28pm)
I never stated Israelis and Israeli policy are perfect, but we defiantly Do not deserved to be raped maimed and butchered by jihadi group in the name of “uprising”

You can also say it about Palestinian policies

You need 2 for a tango


Israel has all the power. therefore as the almighty force, it is for Israel to figure it out. not spend 1/2 a century (or a century) spilling water. metaphorically.
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Quote (ferdia @ 11 Apr 2024 15:36)
Israel has all the power. therefore as the almighty force, it is for Israel to figure it out. not spend 1/2 a century (or a century) spilling water. metaphorically.


We offered them all the land (1967) back they refused.

We have all the power because we invest in education and love

we cant control their will

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