that was to Many_Names, not you btw.

Israel is at war, it is understandable that you dont feel sorry for civilians on the other side. its basic human nature.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 8 2024 09:46am

There are no innocents in Gaza it doesnt mean I want to kill them all.
I want to remove hamas

I want them to accept the1967 borders.
With few land swaps in the southern area.
This was already offered by Israel in camp david 2000
And Ehud Olmert in 2007 or 2008.

And Acknowledge the right of Jews to their own land specially in their ancestral home.

Which means the only thing that really changes is IDF getting out of west bank and Gaza and some settlements removed by Israel

I guess the 14 is completely grilled, on the other the 13 is revealing the real lust:

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/04/08/israel-s-channel-13-focuses-most-of-its-programming-on-national-security-and-the-return-of-hostages_6667687_4.html



It's just about these guys : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_Zionism

We actually see the same video footage you see and feel sorry for them.

but you know thats not going to happen. Israel is NOT going to leave the west bank. it is going to continue to settle it until there is no west bank left.



i acknowledge your post. i have no response to it (this is a neutral statement).

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 8 2024 09:49am

Did we leave gaza?
We have proof of our ability to take hard steps when needed.

you are mistaken. INNOCENTS is one thing, most* of Gaza civilians accepted Hamas and thier actions - so i don't feel sorry for a 12 years old who came in with a gas tank on October 7th only to help his bigger uncles and cousins.
he is 100% at fault and he shoot be shot in the head. there is no other way, i know most of you cannot see eye to eye with it, but that's life and that's how things are.

do either of you have any assumption/presumption/guess as to how this war will end ? presumably Raza will be bombed and a major ground offensive, or what alternative (if any) do you envisage ? that is not the end of the war though, thats just killing alot of people (mostly civilians). How far along are peace negotiations? surely peace negotiations is just stupid, noting Israel has not achieved its stated objectives yet ? another 3 months of bombings, 6 months ?



your right, Israel left gaza, but gaza is tiny and israeli policy, as i understand it, is to continue to colonize the west bank. you dont do that if you are countenancing leaving the westbank.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 8 2024 09:54am

I’ll do my best to answer. My honest point of view.
1. I’m actually proud of the gov not to accept any deal like in the past. Retrieve the hostages , yes, but not in the cost of our survival.
2. I’m sure that anyone else will be anti-Israeli as well. It’s our job to not let them build up power to execute another 10/7.
3. Israel don’t have borders since to conclusion with the Palestinians. The Palestinians first need to acknowledge the Jewish state, than we can talk about borders. Their claim is for the entire land and the end of the Jewish state. Always ha been. That claim makes them “refugees” and makes this conflict go on till eternity.

1. ok fine.
2. that means that gaza can not be allowed to self govern. do you agree with my statement ? if you allow gaza to self govern, then the most likely result is this all over again in a few years time.
3. Israel should simple say "we are taking this, and you can take that". just be done with it. sure israel might be given out to, but this end of time conflict is not good for mind and body for any israeli (in my opinion).