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Apr 22 2019 04:28pm
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I think you'll find (assuming all the facts were laid bare), that this kind of thing goes on in most presidencies. I doubt there really is any iron clad method of insuring that every subordinate, absolutely follows orders... down to and including the lowest private in the military.

I think that expecting one man, any man to always make the best decision in all cases, is a pipe dream.

I also think that this is merely more 'detract from the results of the report' play by the left. The left is desperate to find ANYthing they can use to impeach Trump. All their plans hang on this one item.
The left has 20 candidates running at this time, and none of them seem to have a workable platform. I think they put all their eggs in the impeach basket and are now struggling to show cause for impeachment, when the report failed to do so.


We just elected a guy that ran on building a giant wall that someone else was going to pay for

Pretty sure most of the Democrats have plans on their websites that are more workable and realistic than that
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Apr 22 2019 04:33pm
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We just elected a guy that ran on building a giant wall that someone else was going to pay for

Pretty sure most of the Democrats have plans on their websites that are more workable and realistic than that




The wall can be paid for. I haven't see any of the left's plans that have a reasonable chance of being paid for.
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Apr 22 2019 07:53pm
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A great article making a very good and convincing point on what is the truly worrisome thing uncovered by the Mueller report:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/another-warning-sign-2/


Its a reasonable point. But we also have to remember that all this nonsense came from Trumps first few months when his IC was in open revolt against him, liberal career bureaucrats were routinely abusing their office to throw a wrench into his administration or just grandstand, and his staff was rapidly turning over as their flaws got exposed. In the couple years since, the tumult has died down and Trump seems to have gotten his house in order. If we had been struck by a national emergency in those first few months- the mismanagement might have fucked us. But now? I think we'd be as ready as ever.

But when it comes to responsibility, its not so clear a picture. We had IC heads and agents and bureaucrats and Trump picks themselves all running amok abusing their offices and acting plainly unethically and out of control. Can Trump be held responsible for the 'Shallow State' opposition to himself? Well, yes I think he can, in part: Ultimately a leader is responsible for all those under their control.
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Apr 22 2019 07:59pm
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Its a reasonable point. But we also have to remember that all this nonsense came from Trumps first few months when his IC was in open revolt against him, liberal career bureaucrats were routinely abusing their office to throw a wrench into his administration or just grandstand, and his staff was rapidly turning over as their flaws got exposed. In the couple years since, the tumult has died down and Trump seems to have gotten his house in order. If we had been struck by a national emergency in those first few months- the mismanagement might have fucked us. But now? I think we'd be as ready as ever.

But when it comes to responsibility, its not so clear a picture. We had IC heads and agents and bureaucrats and Trump picks themselves all running amok abusing their offices and acting plainly unethically and out of control. Can Trump be held responsible for the 'Shallow State' opposition to himself? Well, yes I think he can, in part: Ultimately a leader is responsible for all those under their control.


I think that Trump was never able to really clean house because the political pressure was just too high. Trump had to let it go once the worst and most visible offenders, the Comeys and McCabes, were eliminated. Otherwise, his presidency wouldnt have survived till Christmas 2017...
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One thing interesting about this report is Trump's advisers actually do push back on him.

After the multiple stories of Trump contacting various DOJ officials(Bharara, Boente, Comey), I figured he was just unaware that it was inappropriate, but the report states that he was informed otherwise by McGahn.

I still haven't finished all the obstruction side, but I think there's enough here for impeachment. Maybe it doesn't make sense politically, but had Obama or Hillary done the same things, every Republican would support impeachment.
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Apr 23 2019 11:38am

Elizabeth Warren: "I stayed up late into the night reading the Mueller report. The facts are clear: A hostile foreign government attacked our 2016 election to help Donald Trump—and Donald Trump welcomed that help. Once elected, he obstructed the investigation into that attack."

Sounds realistic
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Elizabeth Warren: "I stayed up late into the night reading the Mueller report. The facts are clear: A hostile foreign government attacked our 2016 election to help Donald Trump—and Donald Trump welcomed that help. Once elected, he obstructed the investigation into that attack."

Sounds realistic


just wait until you find out she's only 1/1024th right.
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Apr 23 2019 12:24pm
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