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Oct 11 2023 02:32pm
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Yes. There's nothing magical about borders, and victors can impose conditions upon the vanquished. Border absolutism is a convenient hypocrisy adopted by those happy with the status quo and dropped whenever the status quo is not in their interest.


So if China invades Japan, defeats it, and takes its land, this is morally acceptable to you?
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Oct 11 2023 02:40pm
is an open and proud anti-semite & white supremacist (even though he is by his own admission not white himself, he worships my people for some reason) who openly admits he wants the eradication of the Jewish people

He intentionally pretends to not understand simple and easily comprehensible statements in bad faith
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Oct 11 2023 02:41pm
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So if China invades Japan, defeats it, and takes its land, this is morally acceptable to you?


That's a rather extreme example. Take the forced population transfers at the end of the second world war. Is that acceptable to you?
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Oct 11 2023 02:41pm
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So if China invades Japan, defeats it, and takes its land, this is morally acceptable to you?


There is no Palestine it was the Ottoman Empire which was prior to the world war. The naivety of some people.
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Oct 11 2023 02:41pm
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Having survived through multiple defensive wars, Israel understandably seeks geographically secure borders. I'd think they're reluctant to leave the West Bank fully in large part because it puts them in such an exposed situation. Look at how much land a few thousand militants could seize overnight. Israel might well find itself cut in two.


I don't have a problem with Israel wanting a secure border, but that doesn't seem like what they are doing. They seem to be encroaching on more and more land. They are quietly expanding their border. This is an offensive action, not something defensive like "we just want to secure our border".
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Oct 11 2023 02:46pm
Quote (JessiWan @ 12 Oct 2023 04:32)
So if China invades Japan, defeats it, and takes its land, this is morally acceptable to you?


That is a very bad example.

You should ask if China Invades Taiwan which is more likely to happen.
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Oct 11 2023 02:50pm
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I don't have a problem with Israel wanting a secure border, but that doesn't seem like what they are doing. They seem to be encroaching on more and more land. They are quietly expanding their border. This is an offensive action, not something defensive like "we just want to secure our border".


He who conquers rules. It is what it is.
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Oct 11 2023 02:54pm
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^JessiWan is an open and proud anti-semite & white supremacist (even though he is by his own admission not white himself, he worships my people for some reason)


And you should feel flattered.

Also, she, not he.

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who openly admits he wants the eradication of the Jewish people


I never said that. Quote me as saying that, or apologize.

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He intentionally pretends to not understand simple and easily comprehensible statements in bad faith


Sounds like you are mad that I destroyed your arguments.

Quote (bogie160 @ Oct 11 2023 01:41pm)
That's a rather extreme example.


It's an exaggerated example to illustrate the corollary of your statements: victors can impose conditions upon the vanquished, borders are not absolute... etc etc. You are essentially saying that nations can just go to war with another nation and if they win, they can impose whatever they want on the defeated nation, including taking their land.

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Take the forced population transfers at the end of the second world war. Is that acceptable to you?


I am not familiar with this. Can you elaborate so I can respond.
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Oct 11 2023 03:03pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 11 2023 01:11pm)
The twitter back and forth between camels and noses really wants to make the distinction of what % of the babies were beheaded and what % were shot in their strollers. Is it a victory for islam if 40 jewish babies were beheaded, or if they can prove that jewish media was misleading and it was only some of the babies beheaded and the rest shot with AK-47s in their cribs. 2023 is sure a heck of a year


They deserved it / had it coming for terrorizing Palestinians years on end before they were even conceived

Seriously though (and as in the Ukraine thread), the distinction between unprovoked and unjustified cannot be stressed enough. Understanding the grievances of the parties involved is perhaps the first step at creating a real solution.

What led Hamas to cultivate this state of terror in the people that follow?
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Oct 11 2023 03:08pm
Quote (WiziLiCe @ Oct 11 2023 02:03pm)
They deserved it / had it coming for terrorizing Palestinians years on end before they were even conceived

Seriously though (and as in the Ukraine thread), the distinction between unprovoked and unjustified cannot be stressed enough. Understanding the grievances of the parties involved is perhaps the first step at creating a real solution.

What led Hamas to cultivate this state of terror in the people that follow?


why is there an acceptance for killing civilians & children as a retaliation to the terror attack.
Nobody should of been mad at the US invasions/bombings if that was the case.
Justified bombing is a thing for Israel but not for other countries.. The defense of mass military attacks over (admittedly horrible) terrorist action is very strange.

I guess they are Muslim so its ok?
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