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Quote (addone @ Feb 24 2023 03:57pm)
Examples of New Testament Contradictions
In the New Testament, there are contradictions between the genealogies of Jesus given in the first chapter of Matthew and the third chapter of Luke.

Both genealogies begin with Jesus’ father, who is identified as Joseph (which is curious, given that Mary was supposedly impregnated by the Holy Ghost). But Matthew says Joseph’s father was Jacob, while Luke claims he was Heli. Matthew lists 26 generations between Jesus and King David, whereas Luke records 41. Matthew runs Jesus’ line of descent through David’s son Solomon, while Luke has it going through David’s son Nathan.

The story of Jesus’ birth is also contradictory. Matthew 2:13-15 depicts Joseph and Mary as fleeing to Egypt with the baby Jesus immediately after the wise men from the east had brought gifts.

But Luke 2:22-40 claims that after the birth of Jesus, his parents remained in Bethlehem for the time of Mary’s purification (which was 40 days, under the Mosaic law). Afterwards, they brought Jesus to Jerusalem “to present him to the Lord,” and then returned to their home in Nazareth. Luke mentions no journey into Egypt or visit by wise men from the east.
Concerning the death of Judas, the disloyal disciple, Matthew 27:5 states he took the money he had received for betraying Jesus, threw it down in the temple, and “went and hanged himself.” To the contrary, Acts 1:18 claims Judas used the money to purchase a field and “falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.”

In describing Jesus being led to his execution, John 19:17 recounts that he carried his own cross. But Mark 15:21-23 disagrees by saying a man called Simon carried the cross.

As for the crucifixion, Matthew 27:44 tells us Jesus was taunted by both criminals who were being crucified with him. But Luke 23:39-43 relates that only one of the criminals taunted Jesus, the other criminal rebuked the one who was doing the taunting, and Jesus told the criminal who was defending him, “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.”

Regarding the last words of Jesus while on the cross, Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 quote Jesus as crying with a loud voice, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” Luke 23:46 gives his final words as, “Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.” John 19:30 alleges the last words were, “It is finished.”

There are even contradictions in the accounts of the resurrection – the supposed event that is the very foundation of the Christian religion. Mark 16:2 states that on the day of the resurrection, certain women arrived at the tomb at the rising of the sun. But John 20:1 informs us they arrived when it was yet dark. Luke 24:2 describes the tomb as open when the women arrived, whereas Matthew 28:1-2 indicates it was closed. Mark 16:5 declares that the women saw a young man at the tomb, Luke 24:4 says they saw two men, Matthew 28:2 reports they saw an angel, and John 20:11-12 claims they saw two angels.

Also in the resurrection stories, there are contradictions as to the identity of the women who came to the tomb,[7] whether the men or angels the women saw were inside or outside the tomb,[8] whether the men or angels were standing or sitting,[9] and whether Mary Magdalene recognized the risen Jesus when he first appeared to her.[10]

As a final example of a New Testament contradiction, the conflicting accounts of Paul’s conversion can be cited. Acts 9:7 states that when Jesus called Paul to preach the gospel, the men who were with Paul heard a voice but saw no man. According to Acts 22:9, however, the men saw a light but didn’t hear the voice speaking to Paul.

The foregoing examples are just a few of the hundreds of contradictions contained in the Old and New Testaments. Each contradiction is an instance where at least one of the verses is wrong. Thus, hundreds of contradictions mean there are at least hundreds of incorrect statements in the Bible.


the renaming of this thread inspired by the phrase "gish gallop"
ADDONE'S DASH

the list so far
op in his own godhood pronouncing people to be "innocent", #19
op leaves out scripture posting his own version, covered #22
op insists we live in the age of "enlightenment" refuses to address the horrific practice of "transing/mutilation" of children which seems more of a going back wards.., #23
rather than address my challenge he opts to accuse me of "make shit up", page 3 #24
remember the trick. if the scripture has deveation which is common among eyewitness accounts its a "contradiction" if its to simular its "plagurism" (set up a no win game)
(perhaps what is most noticeable is the op's lack of scriptural knowledge while he tells you what to think of scripture............typical of atheists/antitheists, ya seems rather hypocritical, oddly enough they seem oblivious to it.)

page 2 quote #11 "3rd contridiction"
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Concerning the death of Judas, the disloyal disciple, Matthew 27:5 states he took the money he had received for betraying Jesus, threw it down in the temple, and “went and hanged himself.” To the contrary, Acts 1:18 claims Judas used the money to purchase a field and “falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.”


we can find the truth when we look at the scripture
Matthew 27
King James Version

27 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death:

2 And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor.

3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.

5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.

7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.


(the priests used judas money to buy the field and had it recorded as a judas purchase.) (it couldnt be recorded as a priest or temple purchase because it was "blood" money)

acts1-18
18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

a person doesnt burst asunder and have bowls gush out. but if they been hanging in a tree for some time and the decay process has started that would soften up a body and that could happen when the body was cut down or perhaps when he was dumped un ceremoniously dumped into the grave?

next time is still page two of ADDONE'S DASH

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Quote (TiStuff @ Mar 2 2023 01:09pm)
we know the hate of the left. someday you might want to walk away from it. there are better things you can turn to.



the "biblical record" is a trip. there is no other works in the world like it. nothing even comes close. 1400-1500 years of continuous documents


The bible is a collection of 66 books written over a period of approximately 1400-1500 years in 3 different languages across 3 continents by over 40 different authors from every walk of life (from a kings throne to prison cell). Most of whom never knew each other and many of which died a horrible death rather than deny their faith. With no historical errors or contradictions, coming together in one single unified harmonious message.


Cute.

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Cute.


when the titanic sunk and eye witness accounts were compiled some said the ship broke in half and sank while others said it sank intact. you can REEEEE its a "contradiction" but it doesnt change anything and doesnt falsify anything, the ship still sank.
107 #80: Titanic broke in half as she sank
https://timmaltin.com/2019/05/01/titanic-broke-in-half/

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the renaming of this thread inspired by the phrase "gish gallop"
ADDONE'S DASH

the list so far
op in his own godhood pronouncing people to be "innocent", #19
op leaves out scripture posting his own version, covered #22
op insists we live in the age of "enlightenment" refuses to address the horrific practice of "transing/mutilation" of children which seems more of a going back wards.., #23
rather than address my challenge he opts to accuse me of "make shit up", page 3 #24
remember the trick. if the scripture has deveation which is common among eyewitness accounts its a "contradiction" if its to simular its "plagurism" (set up a no win game)
(perhaps what is most noticeable is the op's lack of scriptural knowledge while he tells you what to think of scripture............typical of atheists/antitheists, ya seems rather hypocritical, oddly enough they seem oblivious to it.)

page 2 quote #11 "3rd contridiction"


we can find the truth when we look at the scripture
Matthew 27
King James Version

27 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death:

2 And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor.

3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.

5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.

7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.


(the priests used judas money to buy the field and had it recorded as a judas purchase.) (it couldnt be recorded as a priest or temple purchase because it was "blood" money)

acts1-18
18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

a person doesnt burst asunder and have bowls gush out. but if they been hanging in a tree for some time and the decay process has started that would soften up a body and that could happen when the body was cut down or perhaps when he was dumped un ceremoniously dumped into the grave?

next time is still page two of ADDONE'S DASH


LOL holy shit bro stop with TiStuff alternative reality already. You are just making up wild assumptions desperately trying to say things which are not there. One clearly contradicts the other one describes him hanging the other him falling head first and spilling his guts also one verse it says he has thrown money and the other says he used to purchased. Once again you failed.

Not a single thing you disproved so far. And in a typical fashion you are using assumptions and your alternative reality delusion to explain. Ever try logic, reason, historical data, scientific proof anything that can be of use?
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Quote (TiStuff @ Mar 2 2023 02:28pm)
when the titanic sunk and eye witness accounts were compiled some said the ship broke in half and sank while others said it sank intact. you can REEEEE its a "contradiction" but it doesnt change anything and doesnt falsify anything, the ship still sank.
107 #80: Titanic broke in half as she sank
https://timmaltin.com/2019/05/01/titanic-broke-in-half/


I am not familiar with titanic accounts but I am sure there would of been several versions of events that happened
Especially people in panic, confusion and fear of drowning in the middle of the ocean with poor light and bone chilling waters. It's almost expected that they will give different versions.

What we are talking about here is a word of Yhwh not some frightened passengers of titanic. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Yet another fail.

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LOL holy shit bro stop with TiStuff alternative reality already. You are just making up wild assumptions desperately trying to say things which are not there. One clearly contradicts the other one describes him hanging the other him falling head first and spilling his guts also one verse it says he has thrown money and the other says he used to purchased. Once again you failed.

Not a single thing you disproved so far. And in a typical fashion you are using assumptions and your alternative reality delusion to explain. Ever try logic, reason, historical data, scientific proof anything that can be of use?


when a detective investigates an event he asks as many eyewitnesses as he can find and from that he works out probable events. that being said the scriptures in question are not testimonies to some detective. they are speeches given to the public that already know about said events. they are just given enough information so they will know what the speaker is talking about. likely speaker would lose the crowd if he was to bore them with every little detail they already know about.
that you demand they produce an exact line by line account is you being unreasonable.



Quote (addone @ Mar 1 2023 05:41pm)
I am not familiar with titanic accounts but I am sure there would of been several versions of events that happened
Especially people in panic, confusion and fear of drowning in the middle of the ocean with poor light and bone chilling waters. It's almost expected that they will give different versions.

What we are talking about here is a word of Yhwh not some frightened passengers of titanic. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Yet another fail.


your not familiar with scripture either but that doesnt stop you
link added for your convenience if you want to get 'familiar
its just an example (and an interesting story). pretty big detail a massive ship breaking in two.
when you get sometime do some research about eyewitness testimonies. it will do you some good. get you away from obsessing over antitheist sites for a lil bit straining and scraping for arguments.
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when a detective investigates an event he asks as many eyewitnesses as he can find and from that he works out probable events. that being said the scriptures in question are not testimonies to some detective. they are speeches given to the public that already know about said events. they are just given enough information so they will know what the speaker is talking about. likely speaker would lose the crowd if he was to bore them with every little detail they already know about.
that you demand they produce an exact line by line account is you being unreasonable.





your not familiar with scripture either but that doesnt stop you
link added for your convenience if you want to get 'familiar
its just an example (and an interesting story). pretty big detail a massive ship breaking in two.
when you get sometime do some research about eyewitness testimonies. it will do you some good. get you away from obsessing over antitheist sites for a lil bit straining and scraping for arguments.


God of the bible is unreliable source of events. He gets mixed up only hundreds of times its like it was written by regular people but what do I know?

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God of the bible is unreliable source of events. He gets mixed up only hundreds of times its like it was written by regular people but what do I know?

https://i.ibb.co/hFxSzhZ/images-23.jpg


maybe your mixed up? FFS look at the way you organized your poll

addones napkin analogy has relevance b e addone posted it

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Quote (addone @ Mar 2 2023 08:34am)
Ever try logic, reason, historical data, scientific proof anything that can be of use?


How is it that the Sun is oriented close enough that its life sustaining energy can be received by Earth but far enough away that it doesn't destroy most everything? Was this lucky RNG?

Let us focus on the core or essential teachings and point out that many of these understandings or misunderstandings were not actually taught by the Messengers or come from the limited understandings of the people and later religious leaders at the time each Messenger appeared. Often these differences come from persons clinging to specific literal interpretations (dogma) of certain passages in the religious texts while ignoring others. Corruption of the original messages does not invalidate the essence of what came before.
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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Mar 1 2023 03:28pm)
Assuming Stan Lee wasn't divinely inspired and writing for God is a bold assumption and isn't very good debating.

He was clearly acting for The One Above All, as is present in his works.


im willing to accept it, but the only evidence we have of prophets is that they claim to be the voice of god, and the late stan lee was far too humble to ever do that.
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