Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 23 2022 09:39pm)

White rich people feigning to be moral snapping photos on their 1200 iPhone to post on Instagram and Tik-Tok of 'doing the right thing' then going to starbucks to order their 8 dollar soy latte and high fiving each other being the minorities meanwhile the dirt poor farmers in Bangladesh or Zimbabwe scraping by a meager living using their petrol motorcycle to bring stuff to sell to the market so they and their families don't starve to death the majority. You're right.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 24 Oct 2022 01:34)

The 1960's had more leaders than MLK, and MLK was an active socialist who was white washed to hell. Plenty of other leaders said things like what Ibram did. Malcolm X argued for black power, black autonomy, and black self defense specifically. King wanted everybody from the working class to be liberated from capitalism and for all downtrodden to be lifted up, but blacks would be lifted up more because they had been discriminated against more so they had further to lift.

You're still putting forward a very white washed version of the 1960's. It's not totally your fault. Those in power wanted a black guy to put in history books who's message they could turn into "stay in line and don't disrupt too much and you'll get your way". So they platformed King posthumously, did their best to eliminate all the inconvenient hings he wanted, and pushed down other leaders of the time.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 23 2022 10:07pm)

I'm aware that MLK has been whitewashed to some extent, and that there exist more radical quotes from him that are conveniently swept under the rug.
Even if he had relatively subversive ideas, particularly on economic policy, his attitudes and vision on racial questions were rather mild. They stood in sharp contrast to the militancy of the black nationalists around Malcolm X et al.
When people think of MLK the icon today, they think of this mild-mannered, bridge-building side of MLK.

The big unknown is of course if the civil rights movement of the 60s would have had the same success with just MLK and his vision/leadership, but without the more radical and militant figures. I honestly have no idea. The more radical elements of the movement probably sped up its breakthrough, but also the turn of mainstream opinion against them.

I guess the tldr is that I concur with your disagreement with ofthevoid's claim that non-disruptive protest can be efficient, but that you imho picked a really unfortunate counterexample in MLK. ;)

Regarding the broader point, he is right though: the climate protests are a top-down movement in which elites and the upper middle-class are demanding sacrifices which would disproportionately fall upon the working- and lower middle-class.

Quote (Mondain @ 23 Oct 2022 18:20)

Yes he was,. Martin Lucifer King. The man followed the Luciferian Doctrine.

Not to downplay the eye opening for america but he was leading people into a socialist totalitarian direction.

Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 22 2022 03:45am)

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/18/just-stop-oil-van-gogh-national-portrait-gallery-climate-emergency-fund

Last week the group "Just Stop Oil" had two skinny pink haired activists throw cans of soup at Van Gogh's Sunflowers, before gluing themselves to a wall. The group vowed "more protests are coming". Among those to cheer on the soup throwers was fellow activist Morgan Trowland, who saluted their soup throwing and other acts of vandalism and calls for militant action, as well as embracing ideas like "unlimited migration northwards for all africans";
https://twitter.com/morgantrowland
Well Morgan Trowland joined in on one of those direction actions;
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20176123/bridge-eco-protesters-blood-on-hands-deaths-two-women/

He and another member of "Just Stop Oil" scaled the Queen Elizabeth II bridge and attached themselves to the cables to stop all traffic. They issued a set of demands including that the UK government halt all oil and gas licenses. They caused a 6 mile long traffic jam and 2 hour delays for motorists. During the height of the traffic jam, one vehicle trying to pass on the shoulder crashed into a stranded motorist and the good samaritans trying to help her, critically injuring three people. Emergency vehicles were unable to reach the victims due to the congestion for a full 40 minutes, with 2 people dying and 1 seriously injured.

Fortunately, this story has a silver lining. The average adult in England has about a 12.7 tonnes CO2 equivalent carbon footprint per year. Given that the dead included a mother of 4 in her 50s and another woman in her 40s, we can expect that a full ~70+ man-years were shaved off their carbon footprints which may save the global climate as much as 889 tonnes CO2e. The drawback is that because the injured man has a broken back, he may be paralyzed and thus require greater public resources and a larger carbon footprint, but that could always be solved by euthanizing the undesirables with more direct measures. So at least we can all salute the efforts of these brave soup throwing radicals as they save the world from the horrors of climate change