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Yes, in the backwards Trump-world you live in, the Vice President of the United States following through on the policy of the US government to pressure Ukraine to oust a corrupt prosecutor is some NWO plot to install the Jews or whatever.
Or maybe its right what he said on the tin when he did it, an attempt to pressure Ukraine to oust the prosecutor looking at corrupt western business deals, including his own with his son.
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Here in reality, we view the Obama administration's effort to rid Ukraine of corruption as good, and we view the current POTUS trying to hold onto power in the aftermath of an election he clearly lost as bad.
Anyone with even the slightest self-awareness in geopolitics would recognize that we simply replaced corrupt Russian-aligned oligarchs with corrupt Western-aligned oligarchs, in some cases the same oligarchs switching loyalties, and the result of our western-backed coup was a provocation that Russia was inevitably going to respond to and we would be unwilling to back up with direct force, leading to the war we are seeing now. Like so many previous interventions, we upset the status quo with an act of aggression, and then failed to commit our own blood and treasure necessary to stake our claim. And like other interventions, the end was foreseeable before it even began.
Quote (thundercock @ Sep 2 2022 05:17pm)
Biden explicitly said that MAGA Republicans are a minority in the Republican party but they have outsized influence. Trump got the VAST majority of Republican votes so your statement is incorrect. As I said before, it's crystal clear to a neutral listener. The only people who WANT to conflate the two are hardcore partisans (i.e. Democrats who think all Republicans are bad or Republicans who want to paint themselves as a victim).
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explicitly said he was a voice of unity and against division, while giving the most divisive and inflammatory speech by a president in living memory. I credit you and penis_hat with having the basic perception of political doublespeak and ability to recognize with a politician is doing in words the opposite of what he's saying. The choice of "MAGA Republicans" was deliberate, the phrasing throughout the speech clearly designed to impugn both Donald Trump and his supporters at large. Throwing a few token prevarications into the mix to try to minimize and deflect doesn't change the clearly obvious thrust of his speech. So clear that Karine Jean-Pierre was out in front of the press explicitly defining the entirety of Republican leadership and the majority of the party as "MAGA Republicans" in the preview of the speech, before this backlash got Biden to try to backtrack and minimize this label like you are right now.
(/e^ as per helicals images above, Karine sure found ways to get her foot retroactively in her mouth when democrats stake out talking points like this. As opposed to Joe Biden, who does it proactively)
Taking a step back and looking at the extremely obvious political reality which any strategist could recognize: Joe Biden has made the conscious decision to try to engage in a wedge tactic to drive Trump supporters against any anti-Trump forces left in the GOP, trying to force moderates in congress into a harder spot for their elections this november. They've done this by using DCCC resources to fund the farthest-right candidates to oppose moderates, and now they're trying to his bully pulpit to create a culture war pitted against them. Strategies both with obvious risks, and those risks are to civil society, not just Biden's political ambitions. Its a far more dangerous game than when Republicans rode the tea party or Democrats rode the BLM rioters, Biden is playing with totalitarianism
This post was edited by Goomshill on Sep 2 2022 04:37pm