This happens every day. People are extremely vocal about it nowadays.

You are coming from a place where you are 100% determined that at no point is a fetus a human being. You claim I don’t know, but you do. Science does not determine when the fetus should be considered a human. This is a moral decision. What you are passionately defending says at no point are they humans and therefore kill them whenever. You are completely dismissing those who passionately believe there are murders being committed.



Imagine this situation is on any other issue besides abortion. Let’s say it revolves around senile people ages 85+. Society has gotten (devolved, my word) to a place where it is somewhat commonly accepted that they are no longer able to survive on their own, and their conscience is no longer. There is a debate whether or not they are people or sacks of meat that have become a financial and mental burden.
Now in this hypothetical situation, the federal government passed (or attempted to like is happening here) a sweeping bill federalizing the legality of murdering these seemingly useless human beings.
Not everybody has insurance to have nurses and be in a home, the burden gets placed solely on the children of the now dependent. They never asked to have to take care of this human, they are not financially capable of caring for them. It would cause hardship for the family to simply keep the human alive, even though they have no idea where they are or what is happening around them. Completely senile.


I don’t see much of a difference, besides my hypothetical situation involves a person receiving a financial and mental burden by absolutely no fault of their own. No single decision they have made put themselves in the situation where they have to care for this human.

So should we be talking about this? This happened to me four years ago when I was faced with leave my father to die alone in his house or do everything I can on my dime to care for him because nobody else would. I never once thought about how great it would be if we could just kill him legally.






You ask for proof that late term abortions happen just because, then bring up coat hanger abortions. Your argument is reaching to every far corner it can to find coherence.


There is zero need for this bill. We aren’t even discussing banning abortions, that has never been a topic of conversation in this thread. Abortion on demand up until birth exists in Colorado. That is not changing. Late term abortions exist in several state laws, that is not changing.

I posted a map of abortion laws comparing the US to Europe. There was one state with more restrictive laws than All of the western world. 49 states had similar or much less restrictive laws already.


The bill proposed here turns every state into Colorado, when Colorado exists already and isn’t going anywhere.

This post was edited by YeeHaw on Jul 19 2022 10:12am

Pls source for abortions as birth control. You can’t just say some are vocal about it. It’s highly anecdotal.

Colorado exist but that doesn’t make it available for everyone. Women being already asked for pregnancy test when crossing state lines.

All of the rest is just Blablabla.

It’s not a moral question when an Fetus will become human it’s scientific if you don’t understand this don’t bother replying anymore. If you don’t see why this bill is necessary I don’t know what to tell you anymore.

This post was edited by masl on Jul 19 2022 11:42am

You want a source for something that is arguable subjective? Why are you being so dishonest? You outright dismissed most of my quote because you don’t have any response that doesn’t make you out to be a monster. I provide a fantastic hypothetical comparison which you cannot even address. I have previously provided super easy to read, color coded evidence that the US already has the most lenient abortion laws in the western world. You cannot address that while defending a bill that basically federalizes Colorado’s abortion until birth laws (very similar).

Tell you what, I will obtain a video montage of people confessing to using abortion as birth control if you can source me a single coat hanger abortion say, within the last decade. Everything in my video montage will be only from May 2022 until today. That will be my walk of shame. We can even put fg on it I will get a moderator from one of the sports gambling boards.

It is ridiculous we are talking about coat hanger abortions. This is akin to the argument that black people cannot get to the dmv to obtain picture Id to vote with. Being in the absolute heart of Texas, you are less than a $200 bus ride to Denver. Looking at less than $100 to fly. You are telling me that somebody who is 100% dead set on getting an abortion, like their life is over if they cannot get that abortion asap, cannot obtain $100 and get to the airport?

But blablabla right?

The average American voter.

That is why it is important to discuss these things. The average voter doesn’t think about these deep political issues and only hear snips of what their preferred news source wants them to know. Most people have no idea you can hop a plane to Colorado Springs and get an on demand abortion. It is extremely hard to believe the average person in the US doesn’t take some sort of strong moral stance here, they just aren’t aware.

And I'm sure "discussing" on d2jsp with a deep and extreme right bias will be helpful.

It is ridiculous we talk about right before birth abortions which probably very very rarely happenes. You realise late term means 21+weeks? That’s 5 month. These are only 1% off all abortions. How much do you think are abortions later then 8months? 0.1? 0.01?

You really think everyone can just leave their state and pay 200bucks? Or are abortions only available if you have the money to travel through states? And I already told you some red states won’t let women leave if they are pregnant. You think this is a problem? You first say the bill is not needed because they can go to Colorado. But if they can’t go there anymore the bill is needed right?

And the coat hanger thing. Should just show you that women will get abortions no matter what. Why don’t you realise this? There won’t be more or less abortions just more dead women.

You are asking a group that considers women to be broodmare to be considerate about dead women.

Rare still happens. I am speaking about things that happen in real life. You basically said without this law (that isn’t a law) coat hanger abortions make a comeback. Okay.

And I am 100% saying anybody can gather $200 within 9 months if it is the most important thing they have to do. A flip phone from Walmart costs more than a plane ticket from Austin to Denver. The 9 year old rape victim in Ohio, who under Ohio law could have received her abortion in Ohio, instead traveled to Indiana to have her abortion in a more politically convenient location. At nine years old she got to another state, and she didn’t even have to.