Quote (theCrossbones @ Jun 2 2022 10:01pm)

un employment is pre pandemic levels currently..
wut?

Quote (El1te @ Jun 2 2022 10:03pm)

Unemployment only counts people who are "in the workforce" which has DECREASED considerably, because there are a bunch of degenerate anarcho communists who believe work is oppression.

Obviously unemployment is low because EVERYONE AND THEIR DOG IS HIRING

"Wut?" Do you even understand how numbers work? Do you have a post secondary quantitative education?

You're in a cult.

Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 2 2022 07:54pm)

Except most of these "solutions" put forth by the DNC are actually making the issue worse and causing the violence epidemic in inner cities.
Every single day I get to see accounts of career criminals with 10-20 felonies under their belt being picked up for more violent crimes and immediately turned around and let loose again through the revolving door justice system of "reduced sentencing guidelines" and "restorative justice programs". For the latest example, on Tuesday a woman was nearly killed by an attacker who slashed her face with a beer bottle and severed an artery. The attacker got charged with three counts of criminal sexual assault, criminal use of a weapon, 2nd degree assault. Then we find out that same attacker had been arrested on felonies three times in the past month, let alone the lengthy criminal history.

Is the solution really more subsidized housing that creates a ghetto underclass of welfare recipients? Why is it that the high school I went to, academically one of the best in the entire nation, has significantly less spending per student than the inner city shithole high schools with 0-20% math/reading proficiency and graduation rates? And heck, we're in a thread about mass shootings, we've already seen multiple school shooters in the past few years alone who had their red flags ignored and went on to shoot fellow students because of restorative justice programs and the Obama administration leaning on schools to "end the school to prison pipeline".

If the building is on fire, I want to call the firemen to put it out, not more arsonists

Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 3 2022 07:34am)

That's hilariously shortsighted. liberals have put forward EXPENSIVE potential fixes that go far beyond the city budgets they can actually use and state and federal legislatures shoot them down and have pushed the problem forward for decades. liberals were the first to abandon the war on drugs, the war on crime, champion homeless causes, champion substance abuse issues, etc etc etc. but these are insanely expensive problems that the right will not fix. so liberals are left with the scraps, sentencing changes, clemency programs, dirt cheap housing projects, etc.

liberals get a lot of things wrong, and the bill would be insanely expensive, but its the only workable plan.

why is a high school u went to where kids went to quality day care and grew up in houses with bookshelves stocked is better than a ghetto high school where grandma watched 4 kids and the kids grew up reading JC penny ads? boy i wonder? maybe we'll never know. plant a pack of seeds in dirt and another in sand then act shocked at the harvest.

Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 3 2022 07:46am)

Shoveling more money at social policies and expecting results when decades have just shown ballooning budgets and eroding results is "the definition of madness", as the saying goes. Its like whey they spent millions of covid bucks from the feds printing funny money to feed those ghetto children. And where did it go? Straight grift to some activists who hid behind a shield of "investigating us is racist" as they plundered the whole budget and never served any meals. We're talking about extraordinarily expensive "potential" fixes and legislating more laws when we already don't enforce the ones on the books. Meanwhile the last time a giant crime wave happened, the NYPD led the charge by cracking down and infringing on the 4th amendment a tad, and it worked. Stopping and frisking people doesn't cost a huge budget. Harsh sentences for gun offenses were effective. Three strikes laws increasing the prison populations might seem expensive until you realize most prisoners would be receiving even more welfare benefits otherwise.

There's been a massive push in those liberal cities to expand social benefits and reduce law enforcement. The result has been deteriorating quality of life standards and a surge in crime on top of a huge fiscal cost. People being homeless despite being given more money by the state than 95% of the world's population earns. At some point we can just admit it doesn't work.

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Harsh sentences for gun offenses were effective.

Quote (ofthevoid @ 3 Jun 2022 16:45)

Surely if we throw even more money at it then it will work!

There's a pretty fundamental disconnect here. Being a product of a public school myself it's pretty obvious that money or quality of education was never the issue and i went to like a 50% black high school in the inner city. The elephant in the room is the values and socialization at home. More money or aids or creative new ways to teach wont change a kids interest and dedication to school. That starts at home, always has always will.

Some kids grow up in two parent households and are disciplined and pushed to do well in school. Other kids grow up in the ghetto with their dad skipping out in their life and the hood being their educator and value instiller. You can't expect 1-2 adults in a classroom to be able to somehow overcompensate for that handicap and honestly more money is just square peg in round hole mentality.

Quote (fender @ Jun 3 2022 11:29am)

so maybe just don't lock them up disproportionally and give them the means to build wealth like white people were enabled to, so they can afford the time to get involved in their kids' education?

oh right, that's not what you mean, you're just trying to blame skin colour "culture" and pretend it developed out of racial traits nowhere. racist hacks gonna hack...

Quote (bogie160 @ 3 Jun 2022 17:33)

The only way to do that is by not punishing criminals, which has failed in every municipality where it has been tried. Not punishing crime and hoping it goes away hasn't worked, as anyone with a modicum of insight into human nature could have guessed from the outset. Crime perpetuates generational poverty, not punishing crime breeds more crime. Any attempt to solve crime and poverty in the inner city has to combine a carrot and stick approach.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jun 3 2022 07:45am)

Surely if we throw even more money at it then it will work!

There's a pretty fundamental disconnect here. Being a product of a public school myself it's pretty obvious that money or quality of education was never the issue and i went to like a 50% black high school in the inner city. The elephant in the room is the values and socialization at home. More money or aids or creative new ways to teach wont change a kids interest and dedication to school. That starts at home, always has always will.

Some kids grow up in two parent households and are disciplined and pushed to do well in school. Other kids grow up in the ghetto with their dad skipping out in their life and the hood being their educator and value instiller. You can't expect 1-2 adults in a classroom to be able to somehow overcompensate for that handicap and honestly more money is just square peg in round hole mentality.