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the issue you're having is continuing to think that im opposed to this sidebar, rather than simply realizing its a sidebar that's not relevant to the science we're speaking of.

next if i ask you which human behaviors are driven by chemical biology and which are driven by social construction you'll tell me that humans decided what a fight was and created the word gossip.


It really doesn't matter what the science says here. We are not having a scientific conversation.. All categories categories are social constructs. All of them. If you aren't opposed to this sidebar then you should have just acknowledged this yesterday and we wouldn't still be talking about it and we could move into the next part of the conversation
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the issue you're having is continuing to think that im opposed to this sidebar, rather than simply realizing its a sidebar that's not relevant to the science we're speaking of.

next if i ask you which human behaviors are driven by chemical biology and which are driven by social construction you'll tell me that humans decided what a fight was and created the word gossip.



evolutionary taxonomy can still be tracked via DNA study tho. the fact that we thought Pandas were bears for a while doesnt change my point. nature does through evolution create categories, the fact we identify and name them doesnt change that.


What about carcinisation and the fact evolution turns things into crabs. Are we part of the plan of some sort of crab god?

Intelligent designer wants crabs apparently. One of my favorite things to laugh at.

I'm a nihilist I don't believe in any of this.

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evolutionary taxonomy can still be tracked via DNA study tho. the fact that we thought Pandas were bears for a while doesnt change my point. nature does through evolution create categories, the fact we identify and name them doesnt change that.


Nature creates things that we categorize. Species wasn't a concept until we invented it. It is a decision you make to create a category based on physical characteristics and lineage. the physical characteristics and lineage still exist but it is your choice to make a category out of them

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It really doesn't matter what the science says here. We are not having a scientific conversation.. All categories categories are social constructs. All of them. If you aren't opposed to this sidebar then you should have just acknowledged this yesterday and we wouldn't still be talking about it and we could move into the next part of the conversation


no

a category is a construct, social has nothing to do with it
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Every society across the world and across time had gender roles assigned based on their biological characteristics; men and women. They're not arbitrary and they are recognizable through physical characteristics. What we assign to a gender identity is based on biology. We call them men and women, but we could also call them Gogglegook and Geeblegak, it makes no difference, its based on their biological characteristics, of which there are TWO variations. If you have a genetic malfunction that blurs that line, its because of a genetic malfunction, not because youre another gender. Some people are born with 6 fingers, we do not as a society say "5 fingered people is a societal construct!" Would it have made sense for the women to be out hunting and the men back at the village gathering berries and tending to the babes?

99.9% of the time I can assume that if I see a man, they identify as a man, and are sexually attracted to women. I can make assumptions about their behavior. The 0.1% of interactions where it doesnt apply, I truly dont care. Youre a weirdo, and thats fine. Go be weird, live your weirdness in all of its glory. Just not with me. I am not required to participate in your identity. I enjoy the gender norms. Some men are a little girly, and some women are a little manly, and thats cool. It isnt the norm. The more freedom you tend to give people to express themselves the more they double down in what we recognize as "Societal constructed gender norms." It doesnt go the other way.

Even if what you claim is true, just because something was created by society doesnt make it bad or irrelevant. Society says dont murder, don't steal, blah blah, but I dont see trannies out there trying to destroy that societal construct. But alas, nature DOES create categories. One is XX, and one is XY. Sorry bud. One has a pecker and one has a hole. One can have babies and one can't. One is stronger than the other. Those are nature's categories.

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Nature creates things that we categorize. Species wasn't a concept until we invented it. It is a decision you make to create a category based on physical characteristics and lineage. the physical characteristics and lineage still exist but it is your choice to make a category out of them


Even wild animals can tell the difference between males and females. They may not classify it in their head as A and B because they arent sentient but they do interact differently based on physical characteristics, such as gender.

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Even wild animals can tell the difference between males and females. They may not classify it in their head as A and B because they arent sentient but they do interact differently based on physical characteristics, such as gender.


Acknowledging differences isn't the same as classifying things.
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2 genders only


male


female


xy


xx


THAT IS IT
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2 genders only


male


female


xy


xx


THAT IS IT


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