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They're better... crooks? :)


Better than the answer Im expecting from him.

At least he didn’t fallaciously bring up the Crusades.
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How do you explain human desires then?

Or the simple statistical fact that Christians are richer and happier?


Human desires?
Every life form has desires, not just humans. They are easily explained. Those desires usually make our lifes more enjoyable. Is it really hard to explain that?

And I dont know about your "simple statistical fact". Even if its true (which I doubt it to be) I dont see why this would be relevant to the truth of god being real or not.
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My favorite non-sequitur is the 5th commandment, Thou shalt not kill. Yet religions have been responsible for more killing than even 20th century warfare could achieve.


Religion always leaves back doors. Thats why they dont say you MUST NOT KILL. It would be too much*lol
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faith produces fact.

was the earth flat when the world believed it?


Nope
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Human desires?
Every life form has desires, not just humans. They are easily explained. Those desires usually make our lifes more enjoyable. Is it really hard to explain that?

And I dont know about your "simple statistical fact". Even if its true (which I doubt it to be) I dont see why this would be relevant to the truth of god being real or not.


Animals don’t plan in advance. Humans have the ability to delay gratification or plot egotistical evil, which makes their desires more complicated. This mirrors the biblical teaching that humans rule over animals as their masters. Science will never completely understand how desires change so capriciously either.

If Christians are richer and happier, it means that their worldview is better than yours at least in the evolutionary sense.
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Current religious beliefs:

1. Science is true, unless it disagrees with my religious beliefs.
2. Thou shalt not kill, unless we're doing the killing.
3. Anytime someone says: god, soul, heart, hell, holy, etc., they must believe in god.
4. God is omnipotent, except when we have to help him out. (see #2)
5. God is all knowing, except when we have to help him out. (see #2)


Sounds too pat by half. ^^

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Current religious beliefs:

1. Science is true, unless it disagrees with my religious beliefs.
2. Thou shalt not kill, unless we're doing the killing.
3. Anytime someone says: god, soul, heart, hell, holy, etc., they must believe in god.
4. God is omnipotent, except when we have to help him out.
5. God is all knowing, except when we have to help him out.


Sounds too pat by hafh. ^^


Thumbs up dude :lol:
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Animals don’t plan in advance. Humans have the ability to delay gratification or plot egotistical evil, which makes their desires more complicated. This mirrors the biblical teaching that humans rule over animals as their masters. Science will never completely understand how desires change so capriciously either.

If Christians are richer and happier, it means that their worldview is better than yours at least in the evolutionary sense.





No offense bro, but animals "plan things out in advance" all the time.

That's why the tiger "hides" in the bush before he rips your throat out. Ya know... just like a mugger or a Revolutionary war soldier.




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Well, this was fun. Time for errands... :/

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because you can evaluate the sources and decide for yourself.

There's methodology to determine if a historical claim is likely to be true. Historians generally don't just write a book and then it's just magically accepted.


Correct, step outside the accepted norm and watch how fast they will attack and ostracize.
Even if you have data or proof to support your claims.
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Animals don’t plan in advance. Humans have the ability to delay gratification or plot egotistical evil, which makes their desires more complicated. This mirrors the biblical teaching that humans rule over animals as their masters. Science will never completely understand how desires change so capriciously either.

If Christians are richer and happier, it means that their worldview is better than yours at least in the evolutionary sense.


Humans plan it advance because their brain is capable of doing that. Even an earthworm would do that, if he could.
Also a lot of animals DO plan it advance, but I think you already know that, so there is no need for examples here.
Evil is a subjective word by the way. Like animals humans also do as they please very often. If this is not something we generally accept this called a crime. Those are 100% human concepts to save ourselfs from harm and to strengthen the group. No god needed to explain this.
And yes, we rule over other animals because we can. We are the smartest animal around, so its easy for us to rule over them.

If christians are richer and happier it could mean that the study you got this from was biased. It could also mean, that only certain christians where compared to certain non-christians.
It also doesnt tell anything about their believes or in which way they exercise their christianity. I was a christian too until 2016 when I quit. I never believed in god, i just was a legal christian because I got baptised as a baby and didnt think about retreating until then.
Also there is plenty of poor, sick and unhappy christians as well, so its not a very reliable conclusion, right?

This post was edited by Modulok2405 on Mar 24 2022 08:09am
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