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Quote (iWorshiptheBlahaj @ Oct 11 2021 09:52pm)
its honestly so funny to me that when i used to post all id ever get was shit for being trans but people are far more offended by me being pro vaccine these days. the political climate is wild, good night


no such thing
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if it was something like Ebola, we wouldn't even be talking about this horse shite
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Quote (iWorshiptheBlahaj @ Oct 11 2021 10:52pm)
its honestly so funny to me that when i used to post all id ever get was shit for being trans but people are far more offended by me being pro vaccine these days. the political climate is wild, good night

This isn't about your sexual confusion. Everything isn't about you. The fact you even slid that into the conversation is quite sad and shows you just seek attention.

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One mask, two masks, no masks, vax, vax with mask, transmission, loads more. Google what you can before it's censored lmao.. Google it.

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The bolded is a flat out lie. Pure fabrication.

What has the CDC flip-flopped about on Covid exactly? Please cite your sources from the CDC on the flip flops as well. And it needs to be a "flip flop" that wasn't the result of new data coming out. inb4 masks shouldn't be used (because we've hashed that out about a dozen times so if you bring it up it'll be obvious you're being dishonest)

10-15 years is the norm for vaccines (https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation). One mask, two masks, no masks, vax, vax with mask, transmission, loads more. Google what you can before it's censored lmao.. Google it. Not wasting my time on more links for something you already know is true.

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The CDC and FDA are as corrupt are any politician. Do not trust anything they say.

Yes, exactly. They have a hidden agenda of their own.

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the side effects of not potentially dying from covid are pretty nice. you dont understand how vaccines work

Not dying from COVID? There's a 99% chance you'll survive from COVID. Learn numbers. In fact, if you're under 40, it's a 99.9% chance you survive. :rofl:

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if it was something like Ebola, we wouldn't even be talking about this horse shite

IKR. That's a disease that is actually deadly and not being used for control though. :(

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Oct 11 2021 09:31pm
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This isn't about your sexual confusion. Everything isn't about you. The fact you even slid that into the conversation is quite sad and shows you just seek attention.


One mask, two masks, no masks, vax, vax with mask, transmission, loads more. Google what you can before it's censored lmao.. Google it.


10-15 years is the norm for vaccines (https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation). One mask, two masks, no masks, vax, vax with mask, transmission, loads more. Google what you can before it's censored lmao.. Google it. Not wasting my time on something you can read. You're just a troll so I rather not waste time on you.


Yes, exactly. They have a hidden agenda of their own.



You mean they changed their stance depending on the data they had at the time? I’m sure you throw a riot as well when laws get modernized too huh.
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You mean they changed their stance depending on the data they had at the time? I’m sure you throw a riot as well when laws get modernized too huh.

They changed their stance to test the population's willingness to comply, nothing more.
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Oct 11 2021 09:35pm
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10-15 years is the norm for vaccines (https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation). One mask, two masks, no masks, vax, vax with mask, transmission, loads more. Google what you can before it's censored lmao.. Google it. Not wasting my time on more links for something you already know is true.


10-15 years is not the norm from the time you do clinical testing.

That 10-15 years includes the time to develop the vaccine and undergo and recruit for all three phases. Due to the extraordinary need the development time was massively cut (also because they were already working on the technology) and recruitment for all phases took virtually no time. Recruitment is a massive hassle for everything. A trial that you could get done in a month routinely takes years to reach recruitment goals. I know this because my wife is actively involved in recruitment and screening for clinical trials and my boss runs clinical trials that I analyze the samples for.

So no, you don't need 10-15 years to look at long-term side effects.

Oh look, you used the mask thing. Yep, just dishonest. Didn't even read my post before responding.
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10-15 years is not the norm from the time you do clinical testing.

That 10-15 years includes the time to develop the vaccine and undergo and recruit for all three phases. Due to the extraordinary need the development time was massively cut (also because they were already working on the technology) and recruitment for all phases took virtually no time. Recruitment is a massive hassle for everything. A trial that you could get done in a month routinely takes years to reach recruitment goals. I know this because my wife is actively involved in recruitment and screening for clinical trials and my boss runs clinical trials that I analyze the samples for.

So no, you don't need 10-15 years to look at long-term side effects.

Oh look, you used the mask thing. Yep, just dishonest. Didn't even read my post before responding.

Yes, there were many more hands on deck and much more staff focused towards this. Look at it like this dude... If a PROPER vaccine takes 10-15 years to develop (regardless of much more beefed up staff is) TIME ITSELF has to be considered here. What's your defense on the mRNA vaccines being used as well? Another science that is relatively new? Please, do tell.

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Oct 11 2021 09:40pm
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They changed their stance to test the population's willingness to comply, nothing more.



That’s straight Donald trump era conspiracy theory rhetoric. The truth is statements like this have no basis or fact to back it up and just prey on fear mongering whereas changing stances due to data of the virus being more developed is literally what the whole “research” part of science is about

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That’s straight Donald trump era conspiracy theory rhetoric. The truth is statements like this have no basis or fact to back it up and just prey on fear mongering whereas changing stances due to data of the virus being more developed is literally what the whole “research” part of science is about

Isn't COVID itself fear mongering? :rofl:

Also, please do your research on how PROPER vaccinations are made. In a couple of years, there will be infomercials about all the people fucked up from these mRNA vaccines.

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Yes, there were many more hands on deck and much more staff focused towards this. Look at it like this dude... If a PROPER vaccine takes 10-15 years to develop (regardless of much more beefed up staff is) TIME ITSELF has to be considered here. What's your defense on the mRNA vaccines being used as well? Another science that is relatively new? Please, do tell.


You are cherry picking. It takes 10-15 years from the time you start lab development of the vaccine. If we are making a meaningful comparison then add at least 5 years to the Covid vaccine because the mRNA technology has been in the works for a long time.

I don't need a "defense" for mRNA vaccines being used. They have been in the works for a long time, mRNA treatments have been in active study for a long time. Something being "relatively new" doesn't mean it isn't safe or effective. You are being dishonest.
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