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Oct 1 2021 03:59pm
Quote (SkillRincer @ Oct 1 2021 02:53pm)
no i agree with you there 100% everyone should have freedom of choice but not freedom of consequence

as for the specific case of the covid vaccine mandate, the consequence for either choice should be the same or there is no freedom of choice.


See that's the thing, you can't bend the rules when it's ideal for your situation or there's really no point in having it in the first place. Unless in extreme circumstances of course but both legal and moral precedents have shown vaccine mandates are okay as long as it helps public safety. At the end of the day it is still a choice as you are not forced to receive it
I believe the talking point for this is "Rules for thee and not for me"

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Quote (MrSK @ Oct 1 2021 03:59pm)
See that's the thing, you can't bend the rules when it's ideal for your situation or there's really no point in having it in the first place. Unless in extreme circumstances of course but both legal and moral precedents have shown vaccine mandates are okay as long as it helps public safety. At the end of the day it is still a choice as you are not forced to receive it
I believe the talking point for this is "Rules for thee and not for me"


im just calling a spade a spade, its not freedom in this case if the outcomes are not the same

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 1 2021 03:56pm)
"Not wanting to live under authoritarianism" =/= "freedom at all cost"

The latter implies you want to do away with all rights and obligations. The former is just "I'd like to live in anything besides the most restrictive form of government"

Pretty big gap between those two statements.


that's why i said i align more with freedom at all costs as apposed to living under authoritarianism
basic logic is required for some of my posts

Quote (iWorshiptheBlahaj @ Oct 1 2021 03:55pm)
op you use the word authoritarian alot.can you explain what that word means for everyone in class


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Oct 1 2021 04:06pm
Quote (SkillRincer @ Oct 1 2021 03:03pm)
im just calling a spade a spade, its not freedom in this case if the outcomes are not the same



that's why i said i align more with freedom at all costs as apposed to living under authoritarianism
basic logic is required for some of my posts



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If that's the case then the US and all other countries have and cannot ever be "free" in your words. If all choices have the same consequence it isn't choice and rather gives you the illusion of choice.
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Oct 1 2021 04:07pm
Quote (SkillRincer @ Oct 1 2021 05:03pm)
that's why i said i align more with freedom at all costs as apposed to living under authoritarianism
basic logic is required for some of my posts


:rofl:

"I tend to align with the most extreme position possible" should be read as "id rather not live with zero freedom".

Basic communication skills are required for discussion.

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Oct 1 2021 04:13pm
Quote (MrSK @ Oct 1 2021 04:06pm)
If that's the case then the US and all other countries have and cannot ever be "free" in your words. If all choices have the same consequence it isn't choice and rather gives you the illusion of choice.


bro pay attention pls

i said "in this specific case"


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:rofl:

"I tend to align with the most extreme position possible" should be read as "id rather not live with zero freedom".

Basic communication skills are required for discussion.


i dont think that user meant he wants to be devoid of consequences for his actions

apparently you do, which is comical to me :D
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Oct 1 2021 04:15pm
Quote (MrSK @ Oct 1 2021 02:59pm)
of course but both legal and moral precedents have shown vaccine mandates are okay as long as it helps public safety.


Then you need to prove that covid "vaccines" are on par with the true vaccines. As far as I can see, they are more like flu shots.
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Oct 1 2021 04:18pm
Quote (SkillRincer @ Oct 1 2021 03:13pm)
bro pay attention pls

i said "in this specific case"




i dont think that user meant he wants to be devoid of consequences for his actions

apparently you do, which is comical to me :D


I have paid attention but your comprehension is lacking. Like i've said before vaccine mandates have both moral and legal precedents that show they do not break any constitutional rights aka "freedom". This "specific case" argument is just your excuse to arbitrarily call foul on something you personally deem wrong. Facts and reasoning disagree with you.

Quote (JessiWan @ Oct 1 2021 03:15pm)
Then you need to prove that covid "vaccines" are on par with the true vaccines. As far as I can see, they are more like flu shots.


Incorrect, you just need to prove it provides a noticeable difference in public safety. Which it does
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Quote (MrSK @ Oct 1 2021 03:18pm)

Incorrect, you just need to prove it provides a noticeable difference in public safety. Which it does


If we go by your "logic" then we will also need to mandate flu shots, but we already dont do that.

Also, I see that you are unable to prove that covid "vaccines" are true vaccines. I understand your difficulty.
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Oct 1 2021 04:40pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Oct 1 2021 03:19pm)
If we go by your "logic" then we will also need to mandate flu shots, but we already dont do that.

Also, I see that you are unable to prove that covid "vaccines" are true vaccines. I understand your difficulty.


We do mandate flu shots lol just not as big of a scale with Covid. Whether or not it's a true vaccine is irrelevant per the reasons i stated in my last post
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Oct 1 2021 04:52pm
Quote (SkillRincer @ Oct 1 2021 05:03pm)
im just calling a spade a spade, its not freedom in this case if the outcomes are not the same



that's why i said i align more with freedom at all costs as apposed to living under authoritarianism
basic logic is required for some of my posts



the ccp


nice dodge my guy
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