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Sep 19 2021 06:54pm
Quote (18nomaUSEast @ Sep 19 2021 07:42pm)
So you believe that people who make all or part of their income buying and selling houses should pay regular income taxes... but you think people who make all or part of their income buying and selling financial instruments should pay reduced taxes?

Are you now opposed to the 75% inclusion because it personally impacts you in your second income stream? Or are you just a fan of giving perks to people wealthy enough to afford investing (a population to which you belong)? Capital gains need to be abolished entirely. Income is income. It's literally a powerup for the wealthy.


I don't think you understand Canadian taxation. Day traders are taxed as if it's business income of which I am not against. I certainly don't make the majority of my income from investing, I make it through my career of which I am taxed at the regular rate. The same rate in which day traders are.

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I don't think you understand Canadian taxation. Day traders are taxed as if it's business income of which I am not against. I certainly don't make the majority of my income from investing, I make it through my career of which I am taxed at the regular rate. The same rate in which day traders are.


Income is Income. You work a day job for income, you invest for income.

I'm I'm high for this

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Income is Income. You work a day job for income, you invest for income.


Okay? Great you vote to support the increase of the inclusion rate I vote for a party that is unlikely to increase it. Democracy doing its job.

If there's any question as to why I wouldn't want it raised, yes it's obviously for my selfish reasons as is many reasons people vote for x party.

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Okay? Great you vote to support the increase of the inclusion rate I vote for a party that is unlikely to increase it. Democracy doing its job.

If there's any question as to why I wouldn't want it raised, yes it's obviously for my selfish reasons as is many reasons people vote for x party.


It's democracy in action and hypocrisy on display. You were cool with the increase in government spending (larger budget due to higher inclusion rate) but only when it harmed a group of people of which you are not. The moment you realized it would hurt you, you withdrew support. You're selling out on your vote because it'll cost you a few bucks (but you were completely fine with it when it only cost others).

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It's democracy in action and hypocrisy on display. You were cool with the increase in government spending (larger budget due to higher inclusion rate) but only when it harmed a group of people of which you are not. The moment you realized it would hurt you, you withdrew support. You're selling out on your vote because it'll cost you a few bucks (but you were completely fine with it when it only cost others).


No. I'm saying I'm fine with taxing people's business incomes as business income. If you're flipping houses for a living tax it as normal employment income / the person's marginal rate. It's the same as day trading which I previously said I'm fine with. There's zero hypocrisy in that.
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No. I'm saying I'm fine with taxing people's business incomes as business income. If you're flipping houses for a living tax it as normal employment income / the person's marginal rate. It's the same as day trading which I previously said I'm fine with. There's zero hypocrisy in that.


It's an arbitrary distinction ya greedy fuck

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Quote (18nomaUSEast @ Sep 20 2021 01:44am)
It's an arbitrary distinction ya greedy fuck


Not really. While money is money there's a significant distinction between investing into the S&P 500 every two weeks and letting it sit 30 years vs. generating active business income or employment income and clearly house flippers fall into the active business income as it takes significantly more effort than 1 five second trade every two weeks. I am all for consistency across the board of determining what constitutes as active and what is passive. The gov't has been doing it for years now trying to enact new legislation to determine that distinction and punish those harbouring passive income investments into Small Businesses in attempt to defer income tax until it actually flows back to the individual later in life when they're in a lower bracket or never by passage of ownership to the next generation. I was not against the government when they did that. People harboured millions in corporations and just invested through them to defer tax forever, only the wealthy elite could afford both the legal and CPA fees to get it done as well as setting up and maintaining family trusts. A very one-sided game.

If you up the inclusion rate across all investments, I think It would be highly deferential to many retirees who have around 500K in the bank to retire on, sadly many of which don't use a TFSA but do have some insulation via RRSP's. Think your lines men who had employee stock plans, plant workers, etc. Many of these workers don't have that much generational wealth to be left over to hand down and are on a ski program (spend kids inheritance) have a budget of 1-2 trips per year and will live out a quite retirement life mostly within their own province. Unless the new inclusion rate is going to bolster what they get in CPP and OAS you're going to do some significant harm to that group.

Granted, in the past I have only served rural individuals, so my view is skewed in the type of people I typically deal with, I realize in some areas such as BC and Ontario there's some significant wealth in property that is about to transfer, but that is a different discussion and I also support a higher tax rate for your terminal tax return.
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just vote this fucking clown out, i dont even know about the alternatives, but it cant possibly be worse
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just vote this fucking clown out, i dont even know about the alternatives, but it cant possibly be worse



There is no better alternative unfortunately

Each party is equally terrible, except for BQ which is undoubtedly the worst.

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