You wouldn't be asking the question if it was two rust belt heroin addicts who don't vote often vs. a neoconservative.

In your scenario, the hardcore politico is represented more by the fact that he votes in more elections.

Fraud is one concern, as is the prospect of intimidation and bribery. Political machines used similar tactics for much of America's early history. And by nature, it is almost impossible to stop. How exactly would you even investigate whether a crime was committed? It is part of the problem with quantifying fraud in the first place. If you register all voters, and mail a ballot to all voters, and allow anyone to pick up said ballots, fill them out, and return them, how is it possible at all to prosecute a "fraudulent" ballot? Are you going to expose my ballot and show up to my house and ask me to confirm whether I voted for one candidate or the other? Of course not, it would violate the principle of vote privacy in the first place. And so we understand the Democrat position to be for a system in which fraud cannot be caught, and to then use that as proof that fraud cannot or does not occur. It's circular.

This isn't to say that Republican concerns are entirely genuine. They would not doubt be happy if the only method of voting was at the poll booth, because their voters are far more likely to show up. They don't mind if early voting needs to be done in specific places and at specific times, because their voters will show up. These regulations can't be nonsensical, onerous, or capricious, as they sometimes are across a number of states, and they can't be discriminatory, as has certainly happened in the past, but the fact that fewer people vote is not an argument against basic safeguards set to ensure the legitimacy of the vote. Both sides are attempting to use the law for electoral advantage. And many of the regulations which Southern states have recently passed (e.g. Georgia) are currently on the books in many Democratic states. We need to analyze these safeguards in a vacuum and come to a decision as to whether they make sense.

I was talking about determining the political will of the nation. My point is that people who do not care much about politics should be assigned lower weight in this exercise than those who have strong political engagement.

If they bother to show up to cast their ballot, then it's of course one person one vote.




I would.



Yes, exactly. This reinforces my point that the political will of the American people should be determined from actual election results, which implies weighting by turnout, rather than the hypothetical "if every single eligible voter did actually vote, then Bernie would win policy X would be the majority opinion because the swaths of low propensity voters prefer policy X over policy Y or Z".

As long as it's possible to cast your vote with reasonable effort, not voting means forfeiting your say in the future course of the country. Therefore, it is silly to argue that the "will of the American people" is to have Democrats in charge, based on non-voters having a demographic profile which suggests Democratic lean.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 15 2021 08:38pm

ayo heres some more political cowardice. not that i think it means much in the scheme of the overall election.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/georgia-official-raffensperger-we-had-safe-secure-honest-elections/

Georgia official Raffensperger: "We had safe, secure, honest elections"
Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger says his state implemented a new absentee ballot portal and used double signature match to secure Georgia's elections.

JAN 10, 2021

some time later:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/brad-raffensperger-demands-firing-of-fulton-county-georgia-election-officials-after-double-counted-ballots/ar-AAMciM0?ocid=msedgntp

Brad Raffensperger demands firing of Fulton County, Georgia, election officials after double-counted ballots

Jake Dima 9 hrs ago (JUL 15, 2021)

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/state/2021/07/17/texas-democrats-walk-out-three-test-positive-covid-in-washington-dc/8002121002/

WASHINGTON — Three Texas House Democrats have tested positive for COVID-19 from Washington, D.C., according to Texas House Democratic Caucus leadership.

They're among nearly 60 lawmakers who fled the state Monday to break quorum in the House, part of an effort to block the passage of a GOP-led elections bill. Most members are staying in the same hotel.

One member found out about their positive test result late Friday evening, but they do not have symptoms, caucus officials said. All House lawmakers were alerted and received a rapid test immediately following the member's positive result.

Pointing out how a deadly virus is still active because Trump and his dumb voters won't take it seriously to own the libs.

Are you fucking kidding me? The virus is still active all around the civilized world, the US is arguably doing better atm than Europe, so blaming the current covid situation on Trump is preposterous.


IF, and that's a big if, the next months play out in the form of Europe reaching high vaccination rates and subsequently getting covid under control while mask-flouting anti-vaxxer Trump voters drop like flies and cause the US to have six figure daily cases, then you might have an argument. But as of today, in July 2021, blaming the virus still being active on Trump is beyond absurd.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 17 2021 04:23pm

what do state house democratic party members in Texas passing covid around in a private plane they chartered in july 2021 to skirt their taxpayer-funded jobs have to do with Trump???

lol Trump reallie does have you hot and bothered on a daily basis you sick deviant frustrated freak lmfao, pathetic..