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Jul 14 2021 06:40pm
Quote (Skinned @ Jul 14 2021 07:34pm)
Communists definitely hate it, they literally rewrite history. They will do things like use the state to register the political beliefs of teachers and other anti-intellectual and authoritarian measures.

I'm more libertarian than anything, i strongly believe people should be able to do what the hell they want and live with their consequences. I'm just against the GOP because I think the bill of rights applies to everyone and is not just perks for white guys.


Oh come on. Republicans don't believe the bill of rights is just perks for white guys.

They also think white corporations deserve those rights
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Jul 14 2021 06:50pm
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Yeah, right... debates about the foundations of set theory are tooootally relevant to the curriculum of 9th grade students, who are trying to grasp basic matrix algebra or trigonometric functions and such.

Simply put, the assumptions you are referring to do not matter in the slightest for the practical appication of mathematics, which is all that 99.99% of students will ever need. And that includes even the majority of math majors. The tiny rest has ample time to delve into these debates during higher-level university courses. Likewise, the unequal outcomes in math education between students of different ethnicities or cultural backgrounds are rooted in many things, but the axioms of set theory or the choice between a binary, decimal or duodecimal numeral base are not among them.


At the end of the day, the mathematical fact that a circle's circumference is 3.141... times as big as its diameter, irrespective of the circle's radius, just isn't a social construct. Neither is the fact that a²+b² = c² holds for the sides of a right triangle. Or that integration and differentiation are inverse operations.


So you're admitting there can be a political element to mathematics?

Do you think there might be some politics at play in how much math a student needs to know? Or how much we teach them relative to what they need to know?

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Jul 14 2021 07:08pm
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So you're admitting there can be a political element to mathematics?

Do you think there might be some politics at play in how much math a student needs to know? Or how much we teach them relative to what they need to know?


My argument pertained to the content of math, which is ideologically & politically neutral and independent from social constructions or underlying assumptions (for all practical purposes).
The amount of math we require students to know is mostly based on assumptions about the requirements of future job markets. Also, it's not really an ideological question.

The teaching of math will of course be subject to stronger ideological/cultural/political influence. In this regard, however, I am of the opinion that focusing on the stuff lined out by Canada's Ministry of Education will do abso-fucking-lutely nothing to address the inequalities in math learning. Worse than that, I believe that said focus on woke aspects will distract students of all skin colors from the important stuff (actual math) and diminish educational attainment of all students as a result. The proposed solution is entirely inadequate and even harmful; it is based on a horribly misguided and (in the case of math) outright wrong problem diagnosis.


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Jul 14 2021 07:36pm
some people see white supremacy in the equation 2+2=4

https://meaww.com/brooklyn-new-york-college-professor-says-purity-math-reeks-of-white-supremacist-patriarchy

A Brooklyn College professor has said that the idea that math is objective or neutral is a myth. The math educator Laurie Rubel also tweeted that the mathematical equation 2+2=4 “reeks of White supremacist patriarchy”. She has also received support from several academics at universities and colleges across the country who retweeted and promoted her claims. The tweets from Rubel are part of a trend on social media where a number of math professors and academics from top universities have debated the 'Eurocentric' roots of American mathematics.

she's a fascinating case study, although she doesn't look exactly like what i had in mind for the kind of person who believes this stuff
https://medium.com/data-feminism/5-questions-on-data-and-teaching-with-laurie-rubel-68fccf12b51
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Jul 14 2021 07:56pm
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some people see white supremacy in the equation 2+2=4

https://meaww.com/brooklyn-new-york-college-professor-says-purity-math-reeks-of-white-supremacist-patriarchy

A Brooklyn College professor has said that the idea that math is objective or neutral is a myth. The math educator Laurie Rubel also tweeted that the mathematical equation 2+2=4 “reeks of White supremacist patriarchy”. She has also received support from several academics at universities and colleges across the country who retweeted and promoted her claims. The tweets from Rubel are part of a trend on social media where a number of math professors and academics from top universities have debated the 'Eurocentric' roots of American mathematics.

she's a fascinating case study, although she doesn't look exactly like what i had in mind for the kind of person who believes this stuff
https://medium.com/data-feminism/5-questions-on-data-and-teaching-with-laurie-rubel-68fccf12b51


Did you read the article? Because she's talking about the objective math trope that is so often used by the 13/50 crowd.
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Jul 14 2021 08:09pm
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Did you read the article? Because she's talking about the objective math trope that is so often used by the 13/50 crowd.


i usually read a few paragraphs at most and leave it at that, the topics are usually ridiculous enough that other people will debate back and forth on it at length ^_^
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Jul 14 2021 08:22pm
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i usually read a few paragraphs at most and leave it at that, the topics are usually ridiculous enough that other people will debate back and forth on it at length ^_^


Most of the time if you read the article through you see how gullible some people are getting mad about it. The ability to read past headlines needs to be taught in school, but then Republicans would lose every election so it won't happen.
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Jul 14 2021 11:05pm
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i usually read a few paragraphs at most and leave it at that, the topics are usually ridiculous enough that other people will debate back and forth on it at length ^_^


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Jul 15 2021 12:11am
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Did you read the article? Because she's talking about the objective math trope that is so often used by the 3/5 crowd.


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i didnt do that, stop spreading lies or i will have to report you


yes you did, liar: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=77347766&f=119&p=569171771
and i'm pretty sure you did it before you got that pathetic multi because your "ampoo" account got banned...

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i hope you did your duty and made fearmongering posts on social media, because there were a few thunderstorms in the middle of summer #climatecrisis


no need for me to "fearmonger", nature is unfortunately proving me and all the climate scientists right. just yesterday dozens died in western germany due to floodings... just "a fEw tHunDeRsToRms", huh? north america is burning, we have record temperatures and extreme weather events literally everywhere, and ideologically blinded science deniers like yourself still try to pretend "this isn't happening - and if it is, it always has - and if it hasn't, it was expected and inevitable - and if it wasn't, adaptation alone can deal with it - and if it can't, at least now it's a problem for a future generation and i don't have to be inconvenienced or change anything"...
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