Whenever I wonder what made Sasha Cohen a gigawokester these days I'll remember this video

here's that "beacon of democracy in the middle east" at work, arresting a palestinian activist after talking about the forceful expulsions in east jerusalem on western media:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/palestinian-writer-israel-sheikh-jarrah-b1846944.html

fascist shithole...



which proposal are you talking about specifically? which year? if you want me to check you on that tell me the one you are talking about please.

it's funny how we already start at a point where we both just accept that the ethnic cleanings of 1948 will never see any "justice", and label those claims as unreasonable and unacceptable - and even with that in mind you pretend like the negotiations revolving around the 1967 territories are somehow too bold by the palestinian side. you clutch your pearls when i ask you if that means we should just honour the illegal settlements in west bank and the cleansing attempts of east jerusalem, but then turn around and defend your right wing government for not even agreeing to the minimal demands...

trying to make this a simplistic "both sides" thing is denying the reality and imbalance of the whole situation...

This post was edited by fender on May 14 2021 09:47am

Not clutching nothing. If accepting them means peace, than accept. If not accepting them and evacuate Israelis from The West Bank Means peace, then evacuate.
I’m not defending a gov that I didn’t vote for. Four elections in Israel demonstrate how divided we are about our Gov.
The situation is bad, the negotiation stuck. IMO the reason is the right to return claim, as I wrote.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_peace_process

“.. Yet, the demand for a right of return by the Palestinian refugees to Israel has remained a cornerstone of the Palestinian view and has been repeatedly enunciated by Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas who is leading the Palestinian peace effort.”

Btw, I believe your views are much less flexible then mine.

This post was edited by WhiteSouned on May 14 2021 09:53am

you might, your government doesn't. and that's not the palestinian's fault. even their 1967 proposals that did NOT include 1948 territories have been rejected by israel, proving that israel's "support" for a palestine state is but an empty phrase.



yeah right, even though i completely concede to the (any sense of justice and morality defying) political reality that a return to '48 territories will probably never happen to the displaced majority, even though i acknowledge that as israel's negotiating position, my views are "much less flexible", lol. do you even have the slightest idea how ridiculous that is?

This post was edited by fender on May 14 2021 10:07am

Of course. Because of the right of return demand. As I wrote over and over.



You place the whole blame on one side. Completely ignore the Palestinian responsibility to their own situation. I do bitch about the settlements - but it just ain’t gonna cut it cause it’s not the main reason of why the conflict hasn’t been resolved. Acknowledging the past and understanding that now it’s not changeable is hardly flexibility.

Shabbat Shalom

and i told you over and over that while that rhetoric does exist, it's also used as an excuse by israel to REJECT EVEN PROPOSALS THAT DO NOT INCLUDE ANY CLAIMS TO '48 TERRITORIES. so while "both sides" do indeed have positions that could be described as unreasonable / unpractical, the MAIN culprit, the clearly more stubborn and unrelenting side, is israel. too bad you're incapable of acknowledging this FACT, hiding behind a talking point to deny reality...

This post was edited by fender on May 14 2021 10:46am

There's a 24/7 live of the current tension. It's boring tho there's legit 0 action. You'd expect bombs to drop but nothing..

All those propositions INCLUDES the right of return. That’s why they all been rejected. I never wrote anything about 48 territories.
Your facts are your facts. There isn’t one truth or international values. Who is right ? Probably both sides. How to solve it ? Drop the right of return and sit down to talk peace.
Until than I’ll support every Gov that is capable of understanding it and acting towards it. The settlements is not something I support.

do both sides have unreasonable / unpractical claims and positions they should overthink? sure. does that make both sides equally wrong and morally reprehensible? hardly. simplistic bothsidesism always favours the worse party.

the reality of the situation is that palestinians are prisoners, completely exposed to israel's despotic rule, and constantly encroached upon by illegal settlement and displacement efforts. they are oppressed, arrested, tortured, killed, starved, expulsed, and mistreated at will. aid to them is blocked, activism prevented and silenced, and criticism of their treatment regularly met with smears of anti-semitism. blaming the powerless party for not resolving the issue is ridiculous and dishonest.

i do acknowledge that your personal postition is not quite as extreme as your government's, but that doesn't mean it's not morally questionable and incredibly entitled and tone deaf to say the least. it is very clearly that you have never even thought about how YOU would react or feel if your family was forcefully expelled from their home, deprived of food, shelter, water, medical supplies, freedom, basic human dignity and rights for decades, and someone told you it's on YOU to cede all hope of return, all claims to your home, if you wanted a lasting peace with those that expelled and mistreated you... maybe try that really simple exercise in empathy before arrogantly claiming it's the palestinian's fault that they don't have a state. srsly...

Yeah, it’s their fault. It’s their fault trying to make their own state on the rubbles of the Israeli state. It’s their fault being the forever refugees. No one in history passes the refugee statues by birth except from them.
To u see a mother crying in t.v ? She can cry to Hamas for wanting the whole damn thing for themselves.