US police also based, at least for south, on tracking slaves.

https://time.com/4779112/police-history-origins/

Oh well, nice start.

I have literally never used the person who appointed a judge as a basis for disregarding the ruling. And I will not in the future. I might have pointed it out, but it's always been ancilary to their garbage reasoning.

The case I gave was not partisan politics. It was decided on the merits because it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt that their goal in passing the law was racial discrimination. You are using this as an excuse despite not knowing anything about the base before this, even though I've linked you details on the case multiple times in the past.

Dude, you keep repeating multiple times about some past conversations, idk what you're talking about. I responded solely to what you posted now. The decision came from partisan judges and whatever colorful language pundits or opponents of such laws used is irrelevant and subjective.

The premise that these laws are racist hinges on the fact that IDs cost money. The argument goes something like this:

> Republicans want to suppress black voters
>They do this by requiring voter IDs
>ID's cost money
>Because IDs cost money and many blacks are poor then this is a mechanism of suppressing votes.

But we know that IDs are free in Georgia so the whole argument falls apart. How is Georgia targeting or suppressing votes exactly with voter ID laws then?

Explain the bolded like im 5 years old.

this isn't correct.

the issue of voter ID laws breaks down into 3 categories:

1. cost

2. access to DMVs

3. distrust of the government

free IDs cover cost, as they should. IDs shouldnt cost anything to begin with.

access to DMVs however it does not. in many urban areas, especially as more and more DMV activity moves online, DMV availability times have been restricted. and when an ID law goes into effect the demand for just about the only thing DMVs still need to do in a physical location anymore goes sky high. old 1990s stand up jokes about wait times at the DMV become relevant. in some cases ive heard of people having to take a second day off of work because they never got called up. taking a day off of work at all is a hassle, many DMVs dont operate on weekends and only are open during normal business hours.

there's also distrust, when required to go an extra step with government identification people distrustful of the government become less likely to cooperate, and are more likely to opt out. distrust of the government is higher in black communities, and as a result ID laws cause more opt outs. it's "they trackin us" mentality.


but it doesnt really matter, the stats are clear, where ID laws are created it disproportionately pushes blacks from the voting pool. and moreso if the black community is impoverished in any real number. you, me, or anyone else can say "well just do this" regarding DMVs or whatever else. that doesnt change the stats. the stats are the stats. why is this relevant? because the lawmakers know the stats, and are acting on that knowledge. that's an intentional act of politically driven racist behavior. systematic racism. whether its systematic racism to win more races or systematic racism due to hate of black people doesnt factor into your request for systematic racism examples.

How is it not feasible? We the white people managed to get on top. Chinese people did. Japanese people did and so many other ethnicity. Why not blacks? What stop them? Let me guess, the white man?

Trust me, i want to see black people solve their issues like anyone else but like any problems in life, you have to fix the problem at the root. We all know what the root problem is. It's up to them to solve it. We're there to help them if needed but blaming us for their shit is the wrong approach.

This post was edited by SunnyvaleTrailerPark on Apr 21 2021 11:23am

Still living in the past? We in 2021. The only slavery i see is the working class who's giving their whole life away for things that should be given to them at birth.

Never said it was “the white man” you can’t seem to follow what I’m saying...

Oh well

I follow what you're saying. I continue your argument. We both know that it's their own fight. The racist people are bad, sure but the source of the problem reside within their communites.

- Gang banging
- Drug epidemic
- High unemployment caused by the slow destruction of their communities. Now nobody want to settle there.
- Family living like criminals/Jail from generation to the next generations.

BLM was their chance to do like we do here in Canada and show their unhappiness bout everything their ACTUALLY face but instead, they burnt shit up, looted , looted, looted even more and their movement co-founder is on a house shopping spree from the movement $

As you can see, issues come from within. They have to solve their own shit before we can attempt to help them. White people ain't the whole forcing generations after generations to become gangbangers or crack dealers. They chose the fast life.

Remember, i'm talking bout the root of the issue, the problem they face and fuck them up real good. I ain't saying 100% of the black people are like that.

This post was edited by SunnyvaleTrailerPark on Apr 21 2021 11:27am

the last generation of people born into slavery died around the time my mother was born. this narrative that we're long disconnected from slavery, without even taking into account the perpetuation of it due to share cropping, is a silly one. freed slaves were ensnared in share cropping in massive numbers and that practice perpetuated slavery far after the civil war. also the civil rights abolishment of jim crow laws is relevant, slavery isn't the only issue on the table.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 21 2021 11:28am

What i'm trying to say is that, it's none of the current people fault that's what you have to understand. We're all slave to capitalism . I recon you guys had a slave issue back then but it's not these current generation fault. We all living in the same boat against the rich. Bringing back the problem over and over won't solve anything it'll only bring more division as nobody alive can change what happened back then. We can change the slavery we all living now tho.

It's like the Natives who got pushed by all of us off their land. Was it bad? Yes. Am i against it? Yes. I don't have the power to change any of it which is why i'm saying, bringing this argument against us only bring more division as it create arguments.

Everything else i can agree with but the slavery topic is something you guys know is out of our reach. Nothing we can do as people.

This post was edited by SunnyvaleTrailerPark on Apr 21 2021 11:32am