People have a right to decide how their elections are conducted. In this case, the vast majority wants voter ID and their elected officials are delivering on that.

Gun control, by contrast, is not nearly so neat. While you can get wildly different responses based on the question, it's clear that they're mostly electing officials who are very pro-gun.

simply not true. there are literally hundreds of polls suggesting americans are in favour of stricter gun control, and that's all that matters to you. you dismissed all the nuanced arguments (how voter ID laws will disproportionally disenfranchise minorities, how systematic voter fraud is not a thing, how it's an obvious power grab by republicans) in favour of that one simplistic point. so you can't treat other topics differently, just because your personal opinion might not be aligned with the polls, without being a hypocrite...

I addressed voter ID disenfranchisement specifically, I am waiting for your response.

great we have the foreign voyeur descendant of goebbels pushing a government forceful seizing of guns again. just because your ancestor’s buddy adolf did it to Jewish people during the 3rd reich (before sending them on one-way train trips) doesnt mean we will do it here. scurry along little fella

e: reported, btw

This post was edited by excellence on Apr 8 2021 11:48am

nop. you pivoted away from my question that if you want to introduce voter ID laws, shouldn't you make sure that everyone HAS one BEFORE you effectively disenfranchise all those people (as it's obviously the intention). you also ignored this one completely:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

Make voting easy
Make getting a voter ID easy for all.
Allow mail in voting (as there is not voter fraud)
Allow in person voting to be extended so there isn't big lines.
Let everyone vote equally, nobody in the country will complain.
Almost every judge that has looked into these comes to the conclusion these laws effect POC and poor people unfairly.

That's way overboard. We have an obligation to make sure that IDs are accessible and free. If those criteria are met, it's sufficient.

The vast majority of individuals have not changed their name, and do not struggle obtaining their birth certificate from the local courthouse. I would suggest starting a fund so that this man can pay the $250 to solve his unique issue.

In any case, what you're highlighting is a separate underlying problem. Poor people (not just blacks and hispanics) are more often unbanked or underbanked compared with the general population, and therefore outside of the structure of financial institutions. The focus should be on ensuring that these individuals are brought within that structure, not watering down ID requirements so that we have no idea who is voting and from where.

A federal ID? To vote with etc.

This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 8 2021 12:53pm

baseless conspiranoia vs. real life disenfranchisement - and you defend the side that (by their own admission btw) tries to change the demographic of the vote by introducing measures to suppress minorities and poor people. again, there is ZERO evidence of systematic voter fraud.