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Mar 20 2021 07:42am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 20 2021 01:39pm)
Explain the irony though. Scots voted to stay in the EU
As did northern Ireland.

And we left anyway. "Democracy"


Scots voted to remain in the UK in a referendum two years prior, which implicitly approves taking decisions as a collective majority. By its definition it was democratic

e/ the irony is you railing against the EU when you're in favour of leaving the union to join theirs

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irony of leaving the UK to rejoin the EU tho


Irony is encouraging Scotland to stay in the UK because we are "better together"
While campaigning to leave the EU
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Scots voted to remain in the UK in a referendum two years prior, which implicitly approves taking decisions as a collective majority. By its definition it was democratic

e/ the irony is you railing against the EU when you're in favour of leaving the union to join theirs


I can disagree with EU vaccine policies and still feel that Scotland should be part of the EU.

It would still be part of the EU had it become independent country.

Your avoiding that taking Scotland and northern Ireland put of europe as part of a collective majority (your own words)
When in fact scots and north irish voted to remain in the EU

Consistently getting governments we didnt vote for and even huge constitutional changes we didn't vote for.

I'd consider that a broken system. Change will come and it will come In our lifetime. The one size fits all of the UK ain't fitting our giant scottish dicks anymore.
You can keep Gordon brown

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 20 2021 01:48pm)
I can disagree with EU vaccine policies and still feel that Scotland should be part of the EU.

It would still be part of the EU had it become independent country.

Your avoiding that taking Scotland and northern Ireland put of europe as part of a collective majority (your own words)
When in fact scots and north irish voted to remain in the EU

Consistently getting governments we didnt vote for and even huge constitutional changes we didn't vote for.

I'd consider that a broken system. Change will come and it will come In our lifetime. The one size fits all of the UK ain't fitting our giant scottish dicks anymore.
You can keep Gordon brown


I didn't vote for Brexit either, but we did vote for it as a country that Scottish people voted to stay a part of only 6-7 years ago

I also think the UK will break up if more autonomous powers aren't granted, but even considering that, independence may happen
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I didn't vote for Brexit either, but we did vote for it as a country that Scottish people voted to stay a part of only 6-7 years ago

I also think the UK will break up if more autonomous powers aren't granted, but even considering that, independence may happen


Independence will happen. 51% of those who voted, voted to stay.

By that same standard 60% vote to stay in the EU

It just doesn't work for Scotland in terms of value for your vote.
We elect 97% SNP members of parliament and get a Tory government.
That simply needs reformed.

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Independence will happen. 51% of those who voted, voted to stay.

By that same standard 60% vote to stay in the EU

It just doesn't work for Scotland in terms of value for your vote.
We elect 97% SNP members of parliament and get a Tory government.
That simply needs reformed.


Look like the polling only turned favourable for 'Yes' once the pandemic hit, and now with the vaccine rollout it's neck and neck again. If we have a strong economic recovery, 'No' will take the lead

The SNP is interesting because they're woefully incompetent yet are guaranteed 45% of the vote from supporters of independence, regardless of whether they're right or left wing. In that dynamic, it would be very difficult for Labour to win back Scotland
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Mar 20 2021 11:09am
Quote (dro94 @ Mar 20 2021 09:42am)
Scots voted to remain in the UK in a referendum two years prior, which implicitly approves taking decisions as a collective majority. By its definition it was democratic

e/ the irony is you railing against the EU when you're in favour of leaving the union to join theirs


Scots are dependent on UK welfare. Its in their better long term interest to leave honestly.
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Scots are dependent on UK welfare. Its in their better long term interest to leave honestly.


Scotland gets an extra 15% of the allocated budget on a per capita basis than England. Northern Ireland an extra 20%+

Southern England is immensely rich and subsidises the rest of the UK, but Northerns and the devolved nations still push the narrative that London takes from them

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Quote (dro94 @ Mar 20 2021 05:47pm)
Scotland gets an extra 15% of the allocated budget on a per capita basis than England. Northern Ireland an extra 20%+

Southern England is immensely rich and subsidises the rest of the UK, but Northerns and the devolved nations still push the narrative that London takes from them

https://imgur.com/wpOmmol.jpg


Absolute rubbish, also your image has dates of 1993 as the list recent?

How much of the capital that is attributed to London actually comes from business in devolved regions?
North Sea industry for just one example.

Also by those measures, London would be better off letting Scotland and Northern Ireland leave. Why dont they? Is it because they have something to lose?

I insist you look up the exact amounts of spend and tax for Scotland you will be pleasantly surprised.

I genuinely believe the potential of Scotland as its own entity is enormous.
An outward looking nation with impeccable levels of secular freedom.

Honestly I'd be ok with remaining part of the UK if we had a restructuring of the private land ownership in Scotland.
Many foreign nationals own alot of the private land.
That kind of trickle-down dystopian reality is something more akin to the good old boys in the city of London.

You could also take your nuclear submarines back to Portsmouth. Then theres the subject of England's racist and peadophilic royal family.
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Mar 20 2021 12:17pm
Quote (dro94 @ Mar 20 2021 12:47pm)
Scotland gets an extra 15% of the allocated budget on a per capita basis than England. Northern Ireland an extra 20%+

Southern England is immensely rich and subsidises the rest of the UK, but Northerns and the devolved nations still push the narrative that London takes from them

https://imgur.com/wpOmmol.jpg


I mean, Southern England was basically the place that conquered the others and extracted their wealth for hundreds of years. Sounds like they've got a long ways to go to pay that back with interest.
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