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A recent survey by the German Association for Intensive-Care and Emergency Medicine reveals a surprising degree of reluctance:
Between December 3 and 12, a total of 2305 doctors and nurses, most of them working in ICUs, were polled. 70% of the participants had practiced in their field for at least 10 years.

- among doctors, 73% said they would currently be willing to get the covid vaccine. Among caregivers or nursing staff, the number is slightly less than 50%.
- willingness to get the vaccine is lower among women. overall, around 50% of the female study participants (doctors and nurses) are ready to get the vaccine.
- 90% of the doctors and 75% of the nurses said they consider the vaccine important for containing the pandemic

- slightly more than half the nursing staff are concered about potential side effects, 20% have strong concerns.
- among doctors, 25% are concerned about side effects, 5% strongly.
- 55% of the nursing staff are concerned about long-term damage, 25% strongly.
- 35% of doctors are concerned about long-term damage, 10% strongly.

https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/119400/Drei-Viertel-der-Aerzte-wollen-sich-gegen-SARS-CoV-2-impfen-lassen



I have a hard time making sense of these numbers. Could it really be that 25++% of experienced medical personnel from a field where they have regular contact with covid patients are science-denying anti-vaxxers or otherwise fall for baseless, unjustified concerns?

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Surprising ...
I really can’t understand the anti vaccine thought process.
Its almost like we never learn from our own history
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 16 Dec 2020 14:58)
A recent survey by the German Association for Intensive-Care and Emergency Medicine reveals a surprising degree of reluctance:
Between December 3 and 12, a total of 2305 doctors and nurses, most of them working in ICUs, were polled. 70% of the participants had practiced in their field for at least 10 years.

- among doctors, 73% said they would currently be willing to get the covid vaccine. Among caregivers or nursing staff, the number is slightly less than 50%.
- willingness to get the vaccine is lower among women. overall, around 50% of the female study participants (doctors and nurses) are ready to get the vaccine.
- 90% of the doctors and 75% of the nurses said they consider the vaccine important for containing the pandemic

- slightly more than half the nursing staff are concered about potential side effects, 20% have strong concerns.
- among doctors, 25% are concerned about side effects, 5% strongly.
- 55% of the nursing staff are concerned about long-term damage, 25% strongly.
- 35% of doctors are concerned about long-term damage, 10% strongly.

https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/119400/Drei-Viertel-der-Aerzte-wollen-sich-gegen-SARS-CoV-2-impfen-lassen



I have a hard time making sense of these numbers. Could it really be that 25++% of experienced medical personnel from a field where they have regular contact with covid patients are science-denying anti-vaxxers or otherwise fall for baseless, unjustified concerns?



Concerned, always, because it's not a binary science. Who is not when aware of some risks ? 50% is still too much, this is not a good sign but...

If they had the vaccine right now, front of their face, what would be their decision ? Here's a binary decision.
And would this poll change if Germany starts to get high death tolls like some others European countries ?
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 16 Dec 2020 15:05)
Concerned, always, because it's not a binary science. Who is not when aware of some risks ? 50% is still too much, this is not a good sign but...

If they had the vaccine right now, front of their face, what would be their decision ? Here's a binary decision.
And would this poll change if Germany starts to get high death tolls like some others European countries ?


Well, the concerns are seemingly strong enough that 27% of doctors and 50% of nurses would not get the vaccine, at least for now. Imho, that's a huge number.

90% of doctors in the study consider the vaccine pivotal for getting the pandemic under control - a pandemic whose effect they are seeing every day with their own eyes because they work in ICUs. Nonetheless, 27% of them would not get the vaccine for now. I cannot possibly believe that such a high share of doctors are science-deniers, anti-vaxxers, have no clue what they're talking about, or are malicious actors who want to sow doubt and undermine the vaccine.

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Well, the concerns are seemingly strong enough that 27% of doctors and 50% of nurses would not get the vaccine, at least for now. Imho, that's a huge number.

90% of doctors in the study consider the vaccine pivotal for getting the pandemic under control - a pandemic whose effect they are seeing every day with their own eyes because they work in ICUs. Nonetheless, 27% of them would not get the vaccine for now. I cannot possibly believe that such a high share of doctors are science-deniers, anti-vaxxers, have no clue what they're talking about, or are malicious actors who want to sow doubt and undermine the vaccine.


Wait wait, in your german poll are they clearly -clearly- saying they will absolutely REFUSE to take the vaccine ?
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Wait wait, in your german poll are they clearly -clearly- saying they will absolutely REFUSE to take the vaccine ?


No, but it says that, at least for the time being, 27% of our ICU doctors and 50% of nurses would not be getting the vaccine even if it was available to them. If vaccinations were mandated for medical personnel, many of them would presumably give in and get the jab. But that's beside the point. If even practicing physicians and nurses from ICUs, who see covid patients every day, exhibit such a rate of scepticism, this shows how badly our governments have their work cut out for them trying to convince the broader public.

On top of that, this study also indicates that you're not automatically a science denier or a troll if you're concerned about these vaccines' side effects and potential for long-term complications.

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Potential secondary effect of not taking vaccine



Quote (Black XistenZ @ 16 Dec 2020 16:11)
No, but it says that, at least for the time being, 27% of our ICU doctors and 50% of nurses would not be getting the vaccine even if it was available to them. If vaccinations were mandated for medical personnel, many of them would presumably give in and get the jab. But that's beside the point. If even practicing physicians and nurses from ICUs, who see covid patients every day, exhibit such a rate of scepticism, this shows how badly our governments have their work cut out for them trying to convince the broader public.

On top of that, this study also indicates that you're not automatically a science denier or a troll if you're concerned about these vaccines' side effects and potential for long-term complications.


This seems really bad lol.


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This seems really bad lol.


Yes, indeed. We need 60-70% of the population to get vaccinated to leave this pandemic behind us and get back to normal. I'm not thrilled to read that so many others do not want to play guinea pig for me. :D
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