But that's not what I said.

You said it was smart to dodge.

It was smart to dodge because he would have been defending a garbage record.

Otherwise you run on the record.

you’d think some privileged lefty like icepeon who spends all day spamming f5 on reddit politics so he can copypasta here whatever garbage pollster links there would have at least looked up the political positions of the candidates he shills for

well we can just tell him, its horizontal

It's smart to dodge because the questions are loaded. I would have ignored the moderator also.
How did you folks not get that from what I posted?

As a general rule, that's 100% false.

With Obama, it was all about appearance, eloquence, and a sales pitch that was superb. Toss in media backing that actively hid a pro-socialist agenda and made it seem like "Nah, those were just the college days!" and it wasn't really such a hard choice. That he was a strong leader I would highly disagree with. I live in a nation that fought for the right to bow to no one. He went on a global apology tour where he bowed to Muslim Princes who rape children. Not my ideal of a "strong leader". He failed to deliver on virtually everything not because he was a bad leader though. He failed to deliver on promises because they were all lies. Likewise, the same can be expected of Joe Biden. Although Biden/Harris are so flip-floppy that I mean... If a person says they're going to try to deliver on literally everything everyone wants, how can you call them out?

With Trump, we knew he was a shithead from the start. I followed the Trump business empire long before he was some "reality show guy". The business empire came first, reality TV was just another part of it that came later. One thing that he was always good at was shooting for his goal. He didn't always succeed, but he always tried. Much of what he "promised" simply was not possible, because it required changes to law. Only Congress can change law, only the SCOTUS can overturn it. The POTUS is neither. So it was clear those promises were lip service, though perhaps he could influence positive action. With the rest, his word is his word, but the level of opposition he was receiving was almost guaranteed to keep any actions by him slow and measured, if they occurred at all.

But rather than having the massive socialization of major systems in the US, and the regulatory strangling of entire industries like under Obama, or the freeform outsourcing of everything that could be done so like Bush, Trump was the first in quite a long time who promised to make the effort to make things better HERE. To focus on bringing jobs back, de-incentivizing outsourcing, limiting work visas in specialty fields, removing crippling regulations that were destroying industries and pushing us into industrial reliance on China, discontinuing proxy wars in the Middle East and Africa, or at the very least, not starting more of them, actually killing shithead terrorists for their shithead terrorism, rather than calling them the "JV Squad", etc. How much has Trump done? Well, plainly put, he's tried to work towards everything he was mandated.

And that's what scares the shit out of the left. The more America, and Americans succeed, the harder it is to get votes. The only platform that Democrats have felt comfortable with has been the social welfare platform since Clinton got out of office. The better the economy, the lower the unemployment rates, the harder the votes swing in favor of people like Trump.

Trump had nothing to do with "gut". Trump's an abrasive asshole who bloviates like no tomorrow. However, when he commits to doing something, by damn he tries to do it. And that's exactly what he's done.

Most of the Obama-Trump voters voted for Trump specifically because we ARE working off rational logic, rather than gut. And the very fact that the socialist trash cultists don't understand this is why you'll never understand when you consistently fail to get our vote back.

And? Simply denying it is the smart political move.

Going from Obama to Trump in 4 years is obviously a low-information move. It's an entirely different ideology, different values, different temperament, etc. Not knowing the intricacies of someone's history on supporting fracking... obviously a different matter. The issue doesn't matter much to me, and generally I take candidates at their word unless there's reason not to do so.

Wasn't her last debate months ago?

I don't think anybody here expects you to be self aware.

I've already heard the fracking position of Biden's campaign... you guys are the ones disputing it.

I do think it's pretty funny how so many people in this thread seem unable to acknowledge the 'coincidence' that the candidate they felt did better is also the candidate that they politically align with.