Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 24 2020 09:41am)

We live in a country with representative government. You have no one to blame but yourself.



I am supportive of police reform.

It is when people start to advocate for impromptu lynchings targeted against rank and file officers that I come down hard on the side of the police.

Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 24 2020 08:41am)

We live in a country with representative government. You have no one to blame but yourself.



I am supportive of police reform.

It is when people start to advocate for impromptu lynchings targeted against rank and file officers that I come down hard on the side of the police.

Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 24 2020 08:41am)

We live in a country with representative government. You have no one to blame but yourself.



I am supportive of police reform.

It is when people start to advocate for impromptu lynchings targeted against rank and file officers that I come down hard on the side of the police.

Quote (excellence @ Sep 23 2020 06:11pm)

hope they stay safe my friend!

Quote (djman72 @ 24 Sep 2020 09:51)

They live in a pretty well to do neighborhood. Nice houses, people care about their property and lots of guns.

A few houses got burglarized in their immediate area. Nothing major, cars broken into, garage's rummaged through. Apparently someone in the neighborhood saw a few idiots looting a car and fired a couple shots of his handgun into the lawn to scare them off.

I haven't gotten a report on how downtown actually fared. They refuse to go there.

Father in Law is upper management at a large sporting goods chain with his branch in Louisville. They've hired 3rd party security to protect the store this weekend.

Quote (Surfpunk @ Sep 24 2020 09:47am)

"Lynching"? Weird flex, but OK.

Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 24 2020 09:45am)

do you have a list of what types of reform you're for?

Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 24 2020 08:59am)

Mobs are demanding self-constituted "justice" that is not supported within the law, carried out entirely in the court of public opinion. That is almost exactly the definition.



At a high level, police unions should be disbanded and more rigorous oversight mechanisms put into place. To the greatest extent possible, police wages should be increased and qualifications for entry should become correspondingly more demanding.

I would write something almost identical if we were talking about education reform.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 23 2020 10:09pm)

People will definitely disagree from time to time with the same set of facts. Snipa and I just last week or so had a disagreement in the "Cancel Me" thread using the same set of facts and walked away understanding each other's position but disagreeing.

That's not what usually happens with Goom. What almost always happens is he strategically excludes facts to build a narrative, despite being shown those facts multiple times.

I'll give a specific example. When we were talking about Charlottesville Unite the Right rally he said it was a group of people coming together to protest confederate monuments coming down, and by extension when Trump said there were "very fine people" in reference to the August 12th rallies it wasn't calling Nazis very fine people. I pointed out it was organized by self-admitted white supremacists and he retorted that there were non-Nazis there. When I pointed out they literally marched through the streets chanting "Jews will not replace us" he said that there might have been people there that weren't chanting. When I pointed out all the speakers were also neo-Nazis so there was almost no chance that attendees weren't also white supremacists, the only thing he had to say was that they didn't technically write "white supremacist movement" on the protest permits and left the conversation without conceding an inch.

Now, this might be a case of ignorance. Ya know, it's not necessarily true that he knew all the things I brought up.

Except he did. Because by that point he had interacted with me on this subject multiple times. So I knew for a fact he was very aware of these things, and had been educated about them multiple times by being involved in the conversation when I brought these facts to the attention of other users.

His removal of facts is 100% intentional and he's been caught red handed multiple times doing this kind of manipulation by most users on the forum.



You're better at it daddy.

Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 24 2020 10:08am)

How do the following reforms hit you?

1. Nationwide camera requirements with harsh penalties for cases where a camera is turned off and an injury or death of a citizen occurs.

Sure.

2. 120 credit requirement for officers nationwide unless special permission is given by Executive branch due to lack of qualified applicants.

Dependent on increased pay to ensure an adequate pool of candidates.

3. Automatic suspensions without pay in cases where a non-lethal alternative like pepperspray or tazer is not tried against a perp with no gun or knife type weapon in close proximity to the officer, unless a grand jury decides it was a valid use of force.

Too absolute, there may be situations where it's not clear if the perp is armed.

4. Requires hand to hand combat training like Krav Maga or Brazillian Jujitsu, paid for on the clock.

I don't see an issue with this, but hand combat training is not a substitute for weaponry. We aren't going to ask the police to actively subdue a perp unless they're 1000% sure they aren't armed.

5. Ending single officer patrols nationwide, 2 officers required per car, again unless special permission is granted.

I don't know enough about what the impact of this would be on patrols.

6. End qualified immunity, require police hold personal professional insurance.

Absolutely not. The cost to the taxpayer would be extraordinary.

7. Fitness requirements for all officers, nothing crazy but put an end to 300 lb fatso cops.

Of course. I think weak cops leads to afraid cops, police should be monsters.

Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 24 2020 09:13am)

See bold.