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Quote (GLYC123 @ Sep 22 2020 10:44am)
I disagree. He's emboldened the far left because he's exposed it and poked at it. Which, I don't think is bad. Short-term, yeah we have more conflict. But they are eating their own and I believe they're losing support. People are moving away from the Democratic party and reevaluating.

I think the Democratic party may implode on itself (obviously just my thoughts because we haven't seen how the election will play out yet). They will have to learn that they will have to return to their moderate roots, if possible, if they want to regain traction.

All of the progressives started gaining momentum under Obama, and it's grown. If it wasn't Donald Trump, it would have been someone else. He's inherited the mess.

Overall, Donald Trump is pretty moderate. It really goes to show how far left, the Democrats have gone by trying to appease these Progressives. Hollywood and Mainstream Media, the Democrats. They're all one.



What the actual fuck? I guess when you're a neo-Nazi that the center-right looks like the far left.
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I don't get this pejorative focus on "power politics". Senators have a responsibility to their constituents. Their constituents did not want Garland to follow Scalia, the Senate was faithful to their constituents.

Perhaps Obama should have tried to nominate a center-right judge rather than a moderate. Perhaps then the Senate would have evaluated the risk/reward of a Clinton presidency and Dem Senate differently.


It's my opinion that the GOP made a terrible mistake regarding Garland. Garland is reasonably old and center-left. As soon as it became clear that Trump was going to win the primary, I felt that it would have been in the GOP's interest to bite the bullet and confirm him. I was dreading the young, liberal judge that Hillary would inevitably appoint. Fortunately, the GOP won their very stupid gamble.

As for replacing Ginsberg, let's call a spade a spade. The GOP is going all in on the judiciary because that is the most important thing to them. This isn't about norms, fairness, etc. This is about cementing a legacy that they've been working on for DECADES. They are willing to sacrifice the careers of several officials to get what they want and I actually think that's a good thing. Everyone trying to justify this through absurd rules is just lying because the only truth of the matter is the following statement: "Elections have consequences."
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and yet Biden the moderate is the nominee and just panders to the far left.

i hear a lot of this "theyve moved so far left" talk, with examples of fringe issues or BLM breaking windows in a few liberal towns, but reality doesnt line up with it.


Biden is moderate, normally.

But Green New Deal - not moderate. Refusing to call out violent riots for 3 months - not moderate. Kneeling for BLM, the anti-police rhetoric (Biden immediately condemning the officers in Kenosha as a "systemic problem"). BLM isn't really a fringe issue when your entire DNC has it featured -- and the organizations donations are also cycled through Act Blue. Yet BLM is not a moderate organization. Claims of requiring a mandated authoritarian lockdown if he goes into office.

Now? Adding additional seats to the Supreme Court to stack and rig the system. Pushing mail-in voting, when we already had Absentee Voting and In-Person voting.

These are all things he's gone along with. None of that is moderate to me.

And people are fleeing because of it.

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Biden is moderate, normally.

But Green New Deal - not moderate. Refusing to call out violent riots for 3 months - not moderate. Kneeling for BLM, the anti-police rhetoric (Biden immediately condemning the officers in Kenosha as a "systemic problem"). BLM isn't really a fringe issue when your entire DNC has it featured -- and the organizations donations are also cycled through Act Blue. Yet BLM is not a moderate organization. Claims of requiring a mandated authoritarian lockdown if he goes into office.

Now? Adding additional seats to the Supreme Court to stack and rig the system. Pushing mail-in voting, when we already had Absentee Voting and In-Person voting.

These are all things he's gone along with.


There's so much wrong here lol. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night to justify your vote for Trump!
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What the actual fuck? I guess when you're a neo-Nazi that the center-right looks like the far left.


You're an example of far left. Any moderate person to you, is a "Neo-Nazi", because you're so far off the spectrum, us on the moderate point require binoculars to even see a small ant-sized image of where you stand.

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There's so much wrong here lol. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night to justify your vote for Trump!


There's absolutely nothing wrong with what I posted, which is why you didn't make any legitimate rebuttal of any of my points.

I will happily be voting for Trump and be standing on the right side of history with that vote.

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Biden is moderate, normally.

But Green New Deal - not moderate. Refusing to call out violent riots for 3 months - not moderate. Kneeling for BLM, the anti-police rhetoric (Biden immediately condemning the officers in Kenosha as a "systemic problem"). BLM isn't really a fringe issue when your entire DNC has it featured -- and the organizations donations are also cycled through Act Blue. Yet BLM is not a moderate organization. Claims of requiring a mandated authoritarian lockdown if he goes into office.

Now? Adding additional seats to the Supreme Court to stack and rig the system. Pushing mail-in voting, when we already had Absentee Voting and In-Person voting.

These are all things he's gone along with. None of that is moderate to me.

And people are fleeing because of it.


any time someone refers to BLM, a hashtag, as an "organization" i just have to laugh.....

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There's so much wrong here lol. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night to justify your vote for Trump!


this tbh

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There's absolutely nothing wrong with what I posted, which is why you didn't make any legitimate refuttal of any of my points.

I will happily be voting for Trump and be standing on the right side of history with that vote.


ooffff. u actually think history will see you as anything but a victim to a huckster? pffffffffttt

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any time someone refers to BLM, a hashtag, as an "organization" i just have to laugh.....



this tbh


BLM has a mission statement, a website, chapters, leaders and speakers. They organize events and protests. It's collected millions of dollars in donations.

It's clearly an organization, and more than just a hashtag.

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BLM has a mission statement, a website, chapters, leaders and speakers. They organize events and protests. They collect donations.

It's clearly an organization.


still none of what u said in that rant has anything to do with my point that biden just panders to extremists.

if u want to legitimize a group with a few kiosks and gofundme's because they scare u tho, go ahead.
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I disagree. He's emboldened the far left because he's exposed it and poked at it. Which, I don't think is bad. Short-term, yeah we have more conflict. But they are eating their own and I believe they're losing support. People are moving away from the Democratic party and reevaluating.


The left isn't eating its own so much as the center-right establishment is fighting the progressives harder than they fight the Republicans. Pelosi took anything that could stop an appointment off the table. So did Schumer. The Dem leadership will bloviate to their base to fundraise but they refuse to do anything about it. AOC tried and they said "fuck you progressives" and ended all hope that Trump won't get a third appointment. People who leave the Dem party leave for this reason. They are sick of the right wing and center fucking progressives over.

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I think the Democratic party may implode on itself (obviously just my thoughts because we haven't seen how the election will play out yet). They will have to learn that they will have to return to their moderate roots, if possible, if they want to regain traction
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Most people on the left hope so. It's the only way to get rid of the center-right corporate whores who currently run the party.

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All of the progressives started gaining momentum under Obama, and it's grown. If it wasn't Donald Trump, it would have been someone else. He's inherited the mess.


Progressives are gaining far more momentum under Trump. Obama was one of the most successful Republican presidents of the past 100 years, and he pacified progressive voters because of the D next to his name and his clever black face disguise.

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Overall, Donald Trump is pretty moderate. It really goes to show how far left, the Democrats have gone by trying to appease these Progressives. Hollywood and Mainstream Media, the Democrats. They're all one.


Appointing reconstructionists and dominionists to courts across the country is one of the most right wing things any president has done. He is literally giving lifetime appointments to people who want to overthrow the US and install a Christian fascist dictatorship. I can't really think of many "moderate" things he has done. Perhaps the First Step Act, but that was so small scale that it was more for media ops than an indicator of policy preferences.
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