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Sep 12 2020 09:49pm

Quote (said_aouita @ Sep 12 2020 02:02am)
Such as?


I just feel his presidency will be much like it was with Obama and we need to move forward not backwards.
I don't think Trump is the right idea either. It doesn't matter tho because 1 of them will win because they are the only 2 people are voting on.

Imagine living in a world where every 4 years you get to vote for a flavor and only 2 flavors are showcased over the other flavors so everyone just gets stuck alternating between 2 flavors because they grew use to it and are to afraid to taste the over shadowed flavors.
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Sep 12 2020 09:57pm
why is this thread here lmao
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Sep 12 2020 11:35pm
Quote (excellence @ Sep 12 2020 11:57pm)
why is this thread here lmao


Victory lap swag
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Sep 13 2020 11:59am
Quote (Xx Shin3d0wn xX @ Sep 12 2020 08:31pm)
POPULATION DENSITY.

It does matter, it’s not favoring “one side” but the country as a whole.

Edit: Trump literally won over 84% of the US in 2016 by land mass.
https://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/


TIL landmass has voting rights.
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Sep 13 2020 05:03pm
Quote (excellence @ Sep 12 2020 10:57pm)
why is this thread here lmao


Moved from donor forum, more than likely. And OP is crying that a similar thread already exists here in PaRD (and was created well before this one was moved here).

Quote (Leevee @ Sep 13 2020 12:59pm)
TIL landmass has voting rights.




This post was edited by Surfpunk on Sep 13 2020 05:05pm
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Quote (Surfpunk @ 14 Sep 2020 01:03)
Moved from donor forum, more than likely. And OP is crying that a similar thread already exists here in PaRD (and was created well before this one was moved here).



https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/how-election-maps-lie/img/vanderbei-examples-600.jpg


Been jokin with that guy since time, even if you're wrong you seem smart, I bet you're teachers are proud of you.
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Sep 14 2020 02:10am
Quote (Leevee @ Sep 13 2020 01:59pm)
TIL landmass has voting rights.




Good thing, that through the electoral college... it does. If not, this whole country would be run by California and New York.
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Quote (Ghot @ Sep 14 2020 01:10am)
Good thing, that through the electoral college... it does. If not, this whole country would be run by California and New York.


Take it down to a micro level, stop focusing on such a macro level. Make it personal, so it's more understandable. For example:

Imagine that you, a person, own a property, with a house, a barn, and a greenhouse. You have a family of 5, couple cars. Couple are children, you're husband and wife, and you have a working or college child. You pay your taxes, keep a clean yard, a swept sidewalk, and do all your duties as a good, upstanding citizen.

Now, next door, there's a section 8 housing complex of 30 homes full of nothing but single mothers, with an average of two children each. It's run down, somewhat crime ridden, lawns are shit, and dirty as fuck. Your houshold, though it holds 5, only has 3 that can vote. The housing complex has 30 who can vote. Now, those 30 look at you and say, "They have more, we want that." So they hold a vote on whether or not property tax rate should be raised from 1.39% to 50%. Vote passes, 30 to 3. Of course, right? They don't pay property taxes, how does it harm them?

Now, let's face it, you had your plan and it was working out, but now you're swamped. 50% property tax rate? Your $200K house now just popped a $100K/year rent cost. Sorry, you can no longer afford to live there. Your choice? Pick up and move, or eventually lose everything you have, and end up in section 8 yourself.

So let's say you pick up and move. Okay! Due to the law that was passed, your property now has a basic 10 year cost of $1m in taxes, let alone the $200K property value. Yet it's still a basic 5 person home with enough of a yard to justify a barn and a small greenhouse. Good suburban home, worth exactly what you thought you were going to pay. So, who's gonna buy? Answer: Nobody is going to buy it for the house, or the barn, or the greenhouse. A developer will buy it, and build section 8 housing. The developer will profit, and now your lot is going to turn into the same exact garbage as your neighbor's lot.

That is the basic lesson of the tyranny of the majority. They THOUGHT they were voting in something that would help improve their situation. Instead, they forced you out (or into their situation as well). A developing company will profit, the government will profit as they now will gain control over many more families at the medial price of development, and there will be that many more people who will vote to take shit away from others, to (not) give to themselves.

This is exactly what major failing cities like Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, etc. do to the state that supports them. They take all their shit, and utilize it to support the metro areas. Meanwhile, because the voter base that makes it possible expects free shit, they expand the free shit. And as the true voter base (people wanting free shit) gets more, they want more. And more. And more. In order to continue providing more, as you're driving out those who're providing that more, or bankrupting them and putting them into the same "beg not work" situation you have to expand the area of influence, gain a wider voting base. You also have to infringe more into higher and higher levels of income, stock, property, and business. But as you're doing so, you start losing all your industry, skilled workers, and innovators. Why? Well, ask Elon Musk.

The reason the Electoral College exists is to prevent the simple tyranny of the majority from destroying the liberty of all. The Constitution expressly forbids unwilling labor. It's considered slavery. But if all it takes is a simple majority vote to take all the fruits of a person's labor, that labor has just become unwilling. Part of what the electoral college does is say, "Just because there are fewer people in these 50 counties than those 3 counties doesn't mean you can take all our shit to appeal to your voting base. Instead, you have to work and negotiate with each other to make things work. And if cities implement terrible policies, and all that's left are the beggers living off the state (including the elected officials themselves)? Then the city fails, people move, and the businesses start up elsewhere.

The system works. The attempt to burn everything down is merely another effort by the hands out crowd to take by force what they refuse to produce for themselves.
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Sep 14 2020 03:23am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 14 2020 04:53am)
The system works.



Yeah. I know it does. I'm FOR the electoral college.

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Quote (Ghot @ Sep 14 2020 02:23am)
Yeah. I know it does. I'm FOR the electoral college.


I know, Ghot. I was not addressing that point to you, merely attempting to help to express that the people you're talking to don't understand things on any scale large enough that what you were saying mattered.
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