The supreme court's recent decision on gerrymandering was ridiculous for a similar reason. One of the claims was that you can redistrict and hope it works, but we aren't at the level of technology that guarantees it, meanwhile they were presented with cases where the technology almost perfectly predicted the electoral results.

Still irks me that they could write such stupid shit in that decision.

I did not admit anything like that. A weird shape can still be legit if it connects groups of interest. yes. This does not, however, apply to a map which is not just weirdly shaped, but an absolutely ridiculous clusterfuck. Also note that this district contains coastal as well as inner city and suburban areas. I would really like to hear from you or anyone else which kind of community of interest this district is supposed to keep together.

Your argument here is really shitty tbh. The theoretical possibility of communities of interest creating weirdly shaped but legit districts does not imply that we should close our eyes and throw any kind of plausibility-assessment out of the window.



I was talking about gerrymandering in particular, you answer with Trump's corruption.

And yes, I acknowledge the possibility that Republicans are, on balance, abusing gerrymandering more than Democrats. I would still like to see actual evidence for this claim before I accept it as a fact. And note that the Democratic coalition is very prone to self-packing, so that the "natural, neutral" state of things is a actually House map which slightly favors Republicans.




But arent Districts drawn on the state level, where Democrats rule supreme in CA?

Gerrymandering works both ways though. Packing "interested groups together" is the other side of the coin for "packing disinterested groups together."

Why are you still trying to argue this after you've been told repeatedly we have a law that requires a nonpartisan redistricting commission to draw the lines?

On a purely anecdotal note, I consulted on the primary in the newly created 30th in 2012 between longtime Dem Congressmen Brad Sherman and Howard Berman. Berman's brother, Michael Berman, was on the redistricting committee. Michael Berman, for those who aren't initiated California political insiders, was the most elite Dem power broker in the state. Sherman is a piece of shit racist who complained that the commission gave him too many Latino voters to win re-election. The lines were redrawn, and even the most powerful Dem consultant in the state who stat on the commission couldn't save his brother's district or seat. Sherman was given the lions share of Berman's district and beat him in the primary.

Anecdotal I know, but an example of how it defeats partisan efforts on districting regardless of the effects (losing Berman was also a major headache for the national party in addition to racist ass undeserving Sherman getting the district he wanted).

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Yes, and sometimes it's good to pack and sometimes it's not good to pack. Simply saying that they connected interested groups does not mean they are being gerrymandered.

If you have to pack, you're gerrymandering. What you really mean is "sometimes it's good to gerrymander."

The one and only time I have ever heard of Democrats fighting to maintain a gerrymandered district was Corrine Brown in Florida.

No lol

Fair districting sometimes requires consolidating groups to districts or those groups get no representation.

Yep.

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Get out of here with your data and facts. I just want to hate brown people