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Mar 5 2020 12:32am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 5 Mar 2020 06:42)
" Everyone to the right of Comrade Bernie is a corporate puppet and must be purged! "

About your actual point: I think you're putting too much stock into how things played out with Nixon/Ford. With Nixon, there was a smoking gun, which led to broad, bipartisan support for his removal from office both in Congress and among the public. If such a situation repeated itself with Trump, I'd agree that Pence would turn into a lame duck. But that's not the only way impeachment could go.



The way I see a successful Trump impeachment play out is that the accusations peel off ten-ish percentage points from the Republican electorate, while the other 35-40% stick with Trump. In this situation, the party establishment knows that they will get crushed up and down the ballot if they stick with Trump, so they have to get rid of him, but that they also want to avoid publicly turning on him because he still has too much support from the base.

So in this situation, they would pressure him behind the scenes. McConnell would lead a large delegation of Senate Republicans into the WH and tell him that he has two choices: step down and get a pardon from Pence, or get impeached, lose his immunity and spend the rest of his days in prison. The outcome, from the view of the public, would be that Trump steps down without there being a smoking gun and with his approval among the GOP base still in the 70s or so. I dont think Pence would be an awfully weak president in this scenario. Him pardoning Trump might even boost his popularity with the shocked GOP base. (While Ford's pardon of Nixon hurt his approval ratings across the board.)






rofl, cool story bro. I come up with almost all of my analyses myself. sure, I might occasionally be influenced by articles I read on sites like nytimes, WaPo or national review, but not to the point I'm just parroting.


it's so funny, the same fucking idiotic narrative, and literally everyone perpetuates it: rep establishment shills like icemage, dem establishment shills like cock, 'im14andthisisdeep' political edgelords like trench boy and camboy, and trump cultists like yourself and the rest of the incel crowd: whenever someone calls out the well documented, beyond any shadow of the doubt proven, and painfully obvious on literally every issue concerning american politics (wages, healthcare, foreign policy, trade, education, taxes... you name it) FACT that politicians supported by special interest make policy for those donors, you people clutch your pearls and try to make that sound like some kind of loony conspiracy theory, that couldn't possibly be true.

do you honestly not feel stupid, or at the very least incredibly naive for buying that propaganda so uncritically? goon-shill at least gets paid for being a hack, but you guys just do it for free.

and the way you framed it is particularly clumsy and bad, yet again outright ignoring the easily identifiable premise in favour of a strawman that fits into your little black and white, left and right world.
the thing is, it's completely irrelevant where on the political spectrum someone falls - what makes them "corporate puppets" is the fact that they are beholden to the donor class, not that they are 'to the right of bernie'.
a principled evangelical fundamentalist could just as well not deserve that label - if they rejected special interest funding and influence. they would not be a corporate puppet, but still far to the right of bernie. can you really not make that simple and obvious distinction, is your mind really incapable of overcoming your ridiculous partisan bias to identify this fundamental issue? unbelievable really...
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Mar 5 2020 12:54am
Quote (fender @ 5 Mar 2020 07:32)
it's so funny, the same fucking idiotic narrative, and literally everyone perpetuates it: rep establishment shills like icemage, dem establishment shills like cock, 'im14andthisisdeep' political edgelords like trench boy and camboy, and trump cultists like yourself and the rest of the incel crowd: whenever someone calls out the well documented, beyond any shadow of the doubt proven, and painfully obvious on literally every issue concerning american politics (wages, healthcare, foreign policy, trade, education, taxes... you name it) FACT that politicians supported by special interest make policy for those donors, you people clutch your pearls and try to make that sound like some kind of loony conspiracy theory, that couldn't possibly be true.

do you honestly not feel stupid, or at the very least incredibly naive for buying that propaganda so uncritically? goon-shill at least gets paid for being a hack, but you guys just do it for free.

and the way you framed it is particularly clumsy and bad, yet again outright ignoring the easily identifiable premise in favour of a strawman that fits into your little black and white, left and right world.
the thing is, it's completely irrelevant where on the political spectrum someone falls - what makes them "corporate puppets" is the fact that they are beholden to the donor class, not that they are 'to the right of bernie'.
a principled evangelical fundamentalist could just as well not deserve that label - if they rejected special interest funding and influence. they would not be a corporate puppet, but still far to the right of bernie. can you really not make that simple and obvious distinction, is your mind really incapable of overcoming your ridiculous partisan bias to identify this fundamental issue? unbelievable really...


Dude, read again what you wrote:
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the people currently in charge of deciding to pursue [impeachment] aren't even the 'liberals' who hate pence so profusely, but pence's fellow corporate puppets from the slightly less terrible side of the coin.

You quite literally called the vast majority of Democrats in Congress pseudo-liberals with the passive-aggressive parentheses around the world 'liberals' and by treating them and the bulk of Congressional Republicans as "two sides of the same coin". On a ton of issues, corporations and donors from various fields have competing interests, so no, the ideological differences between a Democratic and a Republican "corporate puppet" are not necessarily meaingless. (Notable exceptions like taxes do exist though, I'll give you that.)
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Mar 5 2020 02:01am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 5 Mar 2020 07:54)
Dude, read again what you wrote:

You quite literally called the vast majority of Democrats in Congress pseudo-liberals with the passive-aggressive parentheses around the world 'liberals' and by treating them and the bulk of Congressional Republicans as "two sides of the same coin". On a ton of issues, corporations and donors from various fields have competing interests, so no, the ideological differences between a Democratic and a Republican "corporate puppet" are not necessarily meaingless. (Notable exceptions like taxes do exist though, I'll give you that.)


that doesn't at all address the fact that you people keep acting like calling corporate puppets what they are, is some kind of conspiracy theory, when in reality it's a fundamental and well documented characteristic of american politics.

it also ignores my argument about your clumsy strawmanning of my point, acting like that was some kind of partisan issue, when in reality politicians from literally every corner of the spectrum could reject special interest.
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Mar 5 2020 08:29am
Quote (Goomshill @ 4 Mar 2020 22:12)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=579-d9yYsi0



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Mar 5 2020 11:23am
Our democracy is such a shit show. We all deserve what we get at this point. I just wish my kid wasnt going to have to deal with it.
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Mar 5 2020 11:28am
Quote (Brian_D @ 5 Mar 2020 18:23)
Our democracy is such a shit show. We all deserve what we get at this point. I just wish my kid wasnt going to have to deal with it.


Those Trump/Biden debates will redefine the meaning of the term "shit show". ^_^
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Mar 5 2020 11:44am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 5 2020 10:28am)
Those Trump/Biden debates will redefine the meaning of the term "shit show". ^_^


If Trump even shows up but yes if the debates happen its going to be such a shit show. A show of the highest shitty proportions.

Trump will come out ahead as well because Joe wont be able to keep his cool and in todays world facts no longer matter, only owning the libs matters.
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Mar 5 2020 11:48am
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If Trump even shows up but yes if the debates happen its going to be such a shit show. A show of the highest shitty proportions.

Trump will come out ahead as well because Joe wont be able to keep his cool and in todays world facts no longer matter, only owning the libs matters.


do you honestly think that the Trump/Bernie debates would have been any better? clearly Sanders has more mental capacity, but Trump would just call him a communist any chance he got and point out the math of his policies doesnt work.

it's either reductionist from the stand point that Bernie and Trump are so ideologically opposed to reductionist from the standpoint that both Trump and Biden will clumsily form sentences. there is no good debate with Trump.
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Mar 5 2020 11:51am
Trump vs Bernie debates would just end with both men talking past each other all the time, using catchy one-liners from their stump speech.
Trump vs Biden would lead to both men trying to debate with each other, but lose track in endless, incoherent rambling.
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Mar 5 2020 11:53am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 5 2020 11:51am)
Trump vs Bernie debates would just end with both men talking past each other all the time, using catchy one-liners from their stump speech.
Trump vs Biden would lead to both men trying to debate with each other, but lose track in endless, incoherent rambling.


and if Trump does nothing but attack Biden on the Obama era issues it will just drive up support in the black community.

"things were terrible 6 years ago, we cant ever go back to that" - Trump, giving lip service to people who will already vote for him but invoking Obama to people who might not otherwise vote.
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