woah, crazy. why would someone fully aware of the corporate media's obvious intention to produce a soundbite of him saying middle class taxes will increase, deliberately omitting the fact that overall expenses would go DOWN for middle class americans, would be reluctant to do them that favour? i don't believe you're stupid enough to not see right through that, so why pretend you are?

again, it's borderline insane to expect any significant change from someone who is so deeply beholden to the industries that make fortunes out of preventing that change. how often have you bought that in the past? how much money did you send to those nigerian princes?

call it 'joking', call it 'hyperbole', call it whatever you want. fact is that you regularly resort to that kind of conservative establishment propaganda, slightly exaggerated in jest, or deadly serious really makes not much difference at all - it still illustrates a certain way of thinking - and it's also 100% coherent with your 'arguments' for biden and against sanders - so there's no need (or sense) to backpedal really, you know you can't have it both ways. it's also not necessary, after all you're also just a product of your environment...

This post was edited by fender on Mar 3 2020 10:04pm

For a joke. I pretend as a joke because while it's an obvious exaggeration its representative of Bernie's pattern of promising the moon that he knows he can't deliver.

So when I asked why I should vote for no results ur answer was to send a message. Swing and a miss. Try again?



I don't want significant change. significant change has consequences. I like a slow smooth type of progressivism.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 3 2020 10:08pm

it's interesting how all your 'jokes' still support your overall message. you act like framing it in a slightly exaggerated or joking way makes the dishonesty behind the message somehow better, or even non existent?! it doesn't. sorry if this comes as a surprise to you.

as to your question: i reject your premise (no result), as it's arbitrary and biased beyond reason. i told you to which degree i agree with you, and what i think it would still accomplish. you choosing to ignore that, with an obvious audience in mind, doesn't make that a 'miss'. bad faith, trench boy. do better.



again, wouldn't the basic requirement for that be to have a candidate who isn't beholden to the very people that oppose ANY such change?

if the promise is 'slow smooth' change, the result will be zero. will you never learn that? how many times will you fall for the nigerian prince? you know he's a scam artist, but you just WANT to believe him.

what exactly do you think joe biden would achieve, keeping in mind who his donors are?

This post was edited by fender on Mar 3 2020 10:18pm

its almost like the fact that everyone knows im joking means the "dishonesty" doesn't actually do anything. that's what many jokes are. you exaggerate something to illustrate a further point.

no results = arbitrary. lol, that's a new one.

Bernie Sanders cant get any of his staple platform pieces past the congress, period. Biden can get some things past. i'll take a few cowards sneaking through the enemy lines over a valiant charge with 100% casualty rate. but sure, tell yourself bravery matters while people starve that could have been helped.

its funny u know im joking, and even know my target audience, but still have to slide into the "your posts are all common conservative narratives" b.s. LOL u cant even keep your shit straight with all the pieces of the puzzle together but one.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 3 2020 10:22pm

I've said it before and I'll say it again: no matter how excited and motivated Bernie's supporters are, they are still a very clear minority of the Democratic primary electorate. Bernie is NOT getting the huge turnout from young and leftist voters that he's basing his electability argument on and he's NOT leading a groundswell so forceful that it will carry him to the nomination, whether the DNC likes it or not.

When Bernie peaked 10 days ago after the Nevada caucus, he had the chance to reach out to the rest of the party, he had the chance to make his case for electability, he had his chance to soothe the worries in some corners of the party about his ideological extremism. Instead, his messaging basically came down to "I know a lot of you dont want me to win the nomination, so FUCK you, I dont need you, my movement is so strong that I am invevitable, and you will have to swallow it". Well, ten days later, the party has found a way to stop him.



https://twitter.com/AJentleson/status/1235003638180990981

Big OOOOOOF!

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 3 2020 10:32pm

I sympathize with Fender. As a fellow lefty, it is disheartening to see the will of the people not embracing the progressive candidate. But at the same time, I see the voting block he's been able to galvanize early in both primaries and that gives me hope for the future. It's not unlikely that a bunch of young progressive get elected into the system in the next 10ish years just like AOC.


I 1up your twitter link with another : https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1235054164788445184

The movement of being 3rd in your home state.

quoted from fivethirtyeight:



So Sanders vs Biden is +33 among the youngest voter segment, and -47 among the oldest, for an age gap of a full 80 points. And note that these numbers are in a four-person race where the presence of other candidates dampens the raw numbers.
Such a huge age gap is staggering!

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 3 2020 10:55pm

conservative establishment, not conservative. i'm not saying you're a republican, i'm saying your jokes and your serious posts clearly identify you as an establishment's propaganda victim. big difference.

as to your analogy, it's not the "bravery" or the "boldness" that matters, it's quite simply the NOT BEING OWNED BY THE INDUSTRIES THAT OPPOSE ANY CHANGE that matters. biden couldn't "sneak" up on your 300lb phone sex worker without producing an embarrassing gaffe. to assume he would sneakily implement policies against the will of the special interest that bought him, is purely delusional. he doesn't have the ability or even the motivation to do that.

but sure, tell yourself that some day those empty promises will be fulfilled, while talking yourself out of a chance to vote for ACTUAL change, and at least a beginning of fixing the system that you pretend to have identified as flawed, rigged, and corrupt.

btw, bernie's "100% casualty rate bravery" has significantly shifted the whole democratic platform on multiple issues - at least in terms of positions your precious centrists pretend to hold - to a point that was unthinkable just 8 years ago. even the purely hypothetical 'slow and smooth progressivism' that you hilariously expect from biden would be a direct result of that...



you don't actually think that sanders 'reaching out' (can you explain how you imagine that could have looked please?) would have changed anything about the DNC's attitude towards him, or even prevented the curious case of the magic and sudden consolidation of the corporate vote just in time for super tuesday, do you?
it's one of those hilariously transparent 'if only he had done xyz - it's totally his fault he's getting screwed by the people who have been screwing him anyway repeatedly for years now' attempts to frame principles and backbone as arrogance or presumptuousness.

I don't want what u describe as "actual change"

Someday yes. Rapidly tho? No.

I've made my position clear many times. A tepid biden term with little change is fine by me and fine for my family.