Thanks

At least you recognize that this is where its going instead of denying it.



You cannot reverse the effects of missing childhood puberty later in life. If puberty is blocked for the developmental years, you can't reverse the effects when they're fully grown.
Again, all those factors like sexual characteristics, bone density, height, etc etc- you don't go through puberty at age 30 and regain them.

Its no more reversible than an abortion is reversible. Sure, they can administer large amounts of progesterone to counteract mifepristone, because its an antiprogesterone. But once the fetus is detached and ejected, you can't shove it back in the lovin oven. Does that make abortion 'reversible'? Its the same with puberty, except on a longer timescale.



I already explained the difference

The issue though is that you're woefully uninformed on the topic, yet you post with the confidence of someone well-read on the matter. You're wrong consistently, and yet that doesn't seem to matter to you.

1. Even WPATH standards state that the surgery of genitals shouldn't be performed until the majority age of consent for medical decisions, and so in the US, such surgery isn't going to be "performed on children".
2. Why would someone be on puberty blockers until 20? You can gallivant around pretending that you know what you're talking about, but your bias colors your view. Earlier you thought 8-year-olds were being given puberty blockers as a standard, and now you think people stay on puberty blockers until 20? You're just making numbers up to try and sound extreme.
3. You also are unaware of the history of puberty blockers, which have been around long before their modern application in gender dysphoric youth.
4. You're also unaware of the legal considerations surrounding minor assent.

I'd humbly recommend posting less, and reading more.

Why is this still a thing? Just fuck people that you like who like you back.

I don't think it is where it's going. I'm not gonna completely discount it though. In some extreme cases GRS might be appropriate for people under 16. But I'm not gonna advocate for it unless the research suggests it is helpful.
You don't block puberty until 30 dingus.
Like handcuffs said ur woefully uninformed.

Isn't going to be?
Medical standards of 20 years ago wouldn't let people give puberty blockers to a boy because his mother says he's a girl, but here we are.
I never said that children are currently having their dicks sliced up, and I'm aware that's not the current 'treatment'. That is, however, exactly where we're heading. And its a small stones throw from shriveling up someone's dick with drugs to doing it with a knife.



You realize I'm stating that there's a point at which puberty ceases to happen? That was the argument I was making. That's the point. I said 20 years old, I said 30 years old. I could have said 60 years old. Thats the point, puberty blockers aren't reversible because once someone is past the age of puberty, it doesn't magically reoccur when you stop taking Lupron.

I said 8 year old girl because afaik that's the earliest case of puberty blockers being used in a gender identity application in the US, by the CHLA. Has that happened, or hasn't it? Because if it has, as I've seen reported by mainstream sites like CBS, then that's is the lower bound. Its not a public case, so its not like I can easily dig up details. I didn't say "as a standard", you just made that up. Maybe you should try reading my posts. If that number sounds extreme to you, then what does that say about them giving puberty blockers to an 8 year old? And when the discussion was about informed consent, does it make any substantial difference whether we're talking about 8 year olds or 10 year olds or 14 year olds?



Not good enough. We need to do it to children.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Feb 27 2020 09:15pm

Doctor: We need to give you chemo for cancer
Goom: OH SO YOU'RE GOING TO POISON HER!?!?!?! WHAT'S NEXT! WE JUST POISON ANYBODY AND HOPE THEY GET BETTER!?!?!?

"Doctor: We need to give you leeches for the ill humours in your blood"

Chemo as a treatment wasn't dreamed up by sociologists in an echo chamber. Chemotherapy was developed by doctors using hard science. Before anyone started hooking cancer patients up to IV drugs, they already understood the biological processes they were targeting and the closed, deterministic system. There was no dogmatic proclamation by proponents who thought it was just a really really good idea to expose cancer patients to mustard gas and who pilloried anyone skeptics.

Sociologists aren't dictating evidence based practices. They don't form therapeutic relationships with individuals. And furthermore, the only people who care about gender studies are people who major in it and people who really really hate it, and those people aren't much different tbh.

Ronald Reagan is probably the most famous sociologist ever, with WEB DuBois being second. Durkheim is the papa of the science with empirical studies of suicide. You would be hard pressed to find any other or more famous ones.

I don't know why you think medical doctors who work in gender treatment are listening to social scientists that much outside the really talented PsyDs....MDs know everything...just ask them.




Well that's just Shill being a shill. He doesn't hide it.

This post was edited by Skinned on Feb 27 2020 09:44pm

And so are the doctors who are prescribing HRT. You're just being really dishonest dude. Hell, Handcuffs already linked practice guidelines which are loaded with scientific references so it's really obvious you're not actually reading the material.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Feb 27 2020 09:44pm