correct, "environmentalist" isn't "climate change" inherently.

and in the best case scenario Bernie wins, and the entire senate flips blue, and the house stay blue, and Bernie legislates US polluter corporations to hell, and they move business to mexico and the earth's temperature keeps climbing. then it is on the individual action of consumers to shun those brands to try and make corporations do what the government cant, change. boy, i can't wait.

typically when i talk about carbon capture or another unknown technological solve to climate change im just lumped into the group of corporate apologists, o well. the fact is we're past the point of no return, the industrializing world (and even more industrialized nations like India and China) that we have no control over are going to make more pollution moving forward. we can squabble over who is a good boy for voting in the primary to sick the govt on corporations in the meantime tho. this simply isn't a problem in 2020 that can be solved by laws, unless those laws are "you can't make anything unless u also remove carbon from that atmosphere", a law that likely the scotus would strike down. its just too late. we need an Elon, bill gates, or Boyan Slatt type character to save us now.

You don't know what I do in my home. I can pay taxes and separate my trash while bringing my own bags to the grocery.

I give money to the organizations I'm 'maligning'. ECO locally and Sierra Club nationally. I also participate in other charities that would not be effective in combating climate change poverty or inequality on a large scale. They are a Band-Aid on a cancer.

By your logic a person with schizophrenia should just go to church and not have state sponsored case management available with medicaid paying for psychotropic meds and to keep someone out of institutions. Or that going to church is the same thing as assertive community treatment and the difference is preference when the difference is efficacy too.

I'm not saying that your hydro flask activism has no place. Sk sk sk.

This post was edited by Skinned on Feb 25 2020 04:06pm

It's ok, according to the "climate scientists" of the 70s, we're all already dead.

edit: and the 80s, and the 90s, and the 00s.

edit edit: when did al gore say we'd all be fucked by?

edit edit edit: currently coutning down AOC/Gretas predictions

This post was edited by LA-Leviathan on Feb 25 2020 05:45pm

Can you cite the specific practicing scientists who made the claims you are referencing? Because aoc Greta and Gore aren't scientists

the best balance is legislation to ensure better air and water quality and private organizations dealing with issues on a local level. I live in the reality of the country with hundreds of miles of uncleaned highways and roads that are in shit shape from asshats. many of these are right winged organizations or church groups dealing with things I find most Bernie voters cant even conceptualize. they find tax dollars sufficient, if that's not u then good. im just a bit tired of the right doesn't care about the environment because they don't want to spend millions legislating American pollution from industry to mexico on our dime as the consumer. its pass the green deal or youre an environment hater in all too many circles of people who cant sit in an open air park without grabbing their phone for a selfie inside of 45 seconds.

I think Steyer might be your guy for green

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