Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 15 2019 10:45am)

Well, Scaly/Transtankie/Viv is acting like a complete caricature, so zhe should not really be surprised to get ridiculed over it.

Quote (inkanddagger @ Oct 15 2019 10:59pm)

Literally not what Marx said. Where do you pick up this bull crap?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 15 2019 08:13pm)

And the bolded part is where things fall apart, time and time and time again. Once a representative of the workers becomes the official dictator, there is a gigantic incentive for him and his cronies to hold on to their power instead of letting the dictatorship fizzle out into a system of voluntary cooperation where he would be one among many.

It is simply something deeply embedded in human nature that we strive for power, luxury and privilege, that we strive to be on top of the social hierarchy surrounding us.
The aforementioned step from the necessary post-revolution dictatorship towards TrueSocialism™ runs completely against human nature and hence fails all the time.

Quote (inkanddagger @ 16 Oct 2019 06:07)

The striving is leagues better than authoritarian capitalism or even liberal market economies.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 15 2019 09:40pm)

Not when it leads to RealWorldSocialism™, which is authoritarian dictatorship coupled with economic mismanagement - so the people who stood up for freedom, equality and prosperity end up less free and less prosperous than under a capitalistic system.
But hey, at least they get the equality they wished for - everyone outside the nomenklatura ends up equally poor.

Quote (inkanddagger @ 16 Oct 2019 06:46)

You are taking about authoritarian capitalism though, and calling it RealWorldSocialism because you're an idiot. Democratic socialism is successful everywhere it is tried. Liberal democracies and authoritarian capitalist states all have greater wealth inequality and repression than democratic socialist societies.

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There is no example you can find where an entire society strove toward equality and ended up with poverty.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Oct 15 2019 09:49pm)

Karx Marx said that the second law of thermodynamics would destroy all government and reduce us to anarchy. Its about three extra chromosomes worth of derp.

Sorry to ruin your socialism porn.

Plebs (proltarifags) care too much about pleasure and comfort to stand for any of their lopsided beliefs. If they could make wealth on their own they would, but they can't.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Oct 15 2019 04:37pm)

I have a theory that its because the people who attempt it end up dying or being overthrown before they can see it to completion, the next generation just see power up for grabs and take it.