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Jul 31 2019 10:45am
I mean, I could really care less if a place like CHINATOWN had CHINESE writing in it...

Guess I’m more concerned about being shot at in a Walmart at 6:20 in the morning

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Jul 31 2019 10:49am
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I mean, I could really care less if a place like CHINATOWN had CHINESE writing in it...

Guess I’m more concerned about being shot at in a Walmart at 6:20 in the morning


25 years ago the signs were in chinese, today they still are. soon they still will be.

welcome to China 2.0, you can't stop progress like that.
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Jul 31 2019 10:54am
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Well then are we back on China? If so... they are a lot more strict than the US. We all know this.
My initial point was, and still is... standardization in signs, placards, addresses etc., is a GOOD thing, and standardization in the same language is even better.

For businesses... I don't really think it matter what the sign says... just as long as it's in the same language that 95% of the country speaks.

That language thing comes in real handy in situations like... calling the fire dept., maybe, or the police or ambulance.



Literally in chinatown in SF... the street signs on the edges of chinatown were English on top, Chinese on the bottom. Further in... Chinese on top and English on the bottom... deep in chinatown... no English at all on the street signs.Even worse, the businesses had ideograms for store names and for street numbers.

Not a good idea.


You're also arguing that standardization (forcing individuals, businesses to change signage to English, or in the case of the OP, Chinese) is Constitutional, when it absolutely is not.
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Jul 31 2019 03:32pm
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You're also arguing that standardization (forcing individuals, businesses to change signage to English, or in the case of the OP, Chinese) is Constitutional, when it absolutely is not.


Actually, I'm not. Others are arguing that it is non-Constitutional, and I'm saying: "I'm not so sure about that".
I can see where it could be argued in court that it has nothing to do with the 1st amendment. That it has more to do with the "general health and welfare" of the populace, than it does with the 1st amendment.

It's always easy to say... "Oh that falls under the 1st amendment", when in actuality the 1st amendment is totally silent about the issue.



Maybe folks need to read this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution


Notice that it took only 100 days to ratify the 26th amendment, and that after 97 years, the Equal Rights Amendment still hasn't been ratified.
The constitution, and it's amendments are not as cut and dry as most people think.

If for some reason 'signs in different languages in the US ever came to be viewed as not considerate of the "general health and welfare" of the US, it wouldn't take a heartbeat before we had a new amendment. And that doesn't even include some court ruling that may come down, considering the interpretation of the 1st amendment concerning fixed/permanent signs in public places.

I mean, wouldn't you think that the 1st amendment would apply to things like Civil War statues, or lists of the Ten Commandments on the outside of public buildings?


So, I'm going to stick with what I said the the OP. I think that law that China passed is a 'good thing', for reasons I've stated in this topic. (Keeping in mind that they are a totally different country)
In the US, I think a similar law/amendment/ruling, would also be a good thing, excepting maybe the altering of buildings.

In the US, there should be no permanent signs that I for one, can't read.

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Jul 31 2019 03:38pm
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Sign of the times: China's capital orders Arabic, Muslim symbols taken down

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-religion-islam/sign-of-the-times-chinas-capital-orders-arabic-muslim-symbols-taken-down-idUSKCN1UQ0JF





Good for China!

Now before everyone goes ballistic... I've said before and I mean it. Immigrants should assimilate with countries they emigrate to.
Everyone has their own country and their own culture. Emigrating does not give someone the right to set up their own little country in someone elses.

Personally I'm tired of strret signs in my own country that I can't read. Aka, china towns in places like SF and NYC.
I'm tired of telephone computers and ATMs with language choices. If someone wants to emigrate to America, they should learn English.

This is 2019, there is no reason for this emigrating to another country and setting up your own country in the new country.


Glad you are joyous that China's discrimination against Christianity is spreading to the other Abrahamic religions.

Strange thing to get excited about.
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Jul 31 2019 03:45pm
Good for China putting 1m uyghurs in detention camps, you are literally applauding fascism but are probably too thick to realise.
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Good for China putting 1m uyghurs in detention camps, you are literally applauding fascism but are probably too thick to realise.



Funny I don't recall ever saying that. I also don't recall saying that I approve of 99% of China's laws or rulings.
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Quote (Ghot @ Jul 31 2019 04:32pm)
Actually, I'm not. Others are arguing that it is non-Constitutional, and I'm saying: "I'm not so sure about that".
I can see where it could be argued in court that it has nothing to do with the 1st amendment. That it has more to do with the "general health and welfare" of the populace, than it does with the 1st amendment.

It's always easy to say... "Oh that falls under the 1st amendment", when in actuality the 1st amendment is totally silent about the issue.



Maybe folks need to read this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution


Notice that it took only 100 days to ratify the 26th amendment, and that after 97 years, the Equal Rights Amendment still hasn't been ratified.
The constitution, and it's amendments are not as cut and dry as most people think.

If for some reason 'signs in different languages in the US ever came to be viewed as not considerate of the "general health and welfare" of the US, it wouldn't take a heartbeat before we had a new amendment. And that doesn't even include some court ruling that may come down, considering the interpretation of the 1st amendment concerning fixed/permanent signs in public places.

I mean, wouldn't you think that the 1st amendment would apply to things like Civil War statues, or lists of the Ten Commandments on the outside of public buildings?


So, I'm going to stick with what I said the the OP. I think that law that China passed is a 'good thing', for reasons I've stated in this topic. (Keeping in mind that they are a totally different country)
In the US, I think a similar law/amendment/ruling, would also be a good thing, excepting maybe the altering of buildings.

In the US, there should be no permanent signs that I for one, can't read.


civl war statues and ten commandments dont apply, as theyre on public property on govt buildings. the first amendment applies to govt action on private citizens.

for a guy suggesting people read the constitution you really have no grasp on it yourself.

its right there in start of the first part of the sentence:

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


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civl war statues and ten commandments dont apply, as theyre on public property on govt buildings. the first amendment applies to govt action on private citizens.



The 1st amendment says nothing about whether on public or govt. property or buildings. RIF (Reading is Fundamental)


/e Side note: Don't pick apart what I say. Comment on the entirety or not at all.

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The 1st amendment says nothing about whether on public or govt. property or buildings. RIF (Reading is Fundamental)


What it doesn't say it doesn't protect. Welcome to the constitution

Congress shall make no law. It can't be more clear. What law removed statutes. I'll wait

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