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May 22 2019 08:01am
Quote (cambovenzi @ May 22 2019 02:21pm)
No, people who lie are liars.
have a problem with that definition too?


You do seem to have a problem with almost everyone who disagrees with you, though. There are certain things in the world that aren't absolutes, and this means that people with logical integrity should be able to admit the possibility of being wrong despite not agreeing with them. Every world view is flawed, and every political ideology is irrational and arbitrary at its core, but i always get the feeling that you believe your libertarian ideology is fool-proof and the most ideal system known.

Only empirical science can attempt to give us an objective perspective on issues that make an ideal society (philosophers of science can tell you why), but only when it's free of all biases and done ideally. Logical integrity also means readiness to change your world view according to what is the best kind of knowledge we have. If all studies would hypothetically but certainly link libertarian policies to detrimental societal effects, would you blame the studies, libertarianism, or human nature?

Do you think your world view could be wrong without you realizing it? Are you open to this option?

This post was edited by Neptunus on May 22 2019 08:07am
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May 22 2019 08:04am
Quote (Neptunus @ May 22 2019 07:01am)
You do seem to have a problem with almost everyone who disagrees with you, though. There are certain things in the world that aren't absolutes, and this means that people with logical integrity should be able to admit the possibility of being wrong despite not agreeing with them. Every world view is flawed, and every political ideology is irrational and arbitrary at its core, but i always get the feeling that you believe your libertarian ideology is fool-proof and the most ideal system known.

Only empirical science can attempt to give us an objective perspective on issues (philosophers of science can tell you why), but only when it's free of all biases and done ideally. Logical integrity also means readiness to change your world view according to what is the best kind of knowledge we have.

Do you think your world view could be wrong without you realizing it? Are you open to this option?




even tho I know exactly how this ends already
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May 22 2019 08:11am
Quote (Neptunus @ May 22 2019 10:01am)
You do seem to have a problem with almost everyone who disagrees with you, though. There are certain things in the world that aren't absolutes, and this means that people with logical integrity should be able to admit the possibility of being wrong despite not agreeing with them. Every world view is flawed, and every political ideology is irrational and arbitrary at its core, but i always get the feeling that you believe your libertarian ideology is fool-proof and the most ideal system known.

Only empirical science can attempt to give us an objective perspective on issues (philosophers of science can tell you why), but only when it's free of all biases and done ideally. Logical integrity also means readiness to change your world view according to what is the best kind of knowledge we have.

Do you think your world view could be wrong without you realizing it? Are you open to this option?


I'm explicitly open to honest criticism and regularly encourage people to make merit based arguments against my positions instead of ignoring it and making personal attacks or making calls to violently shut down debate.

Nowhere have I suggested that my views are perfect.

Having a problem with some people who "disagree" with me and are supportive of violence against me and others is totally normal and does not imply i think i'm perfect, nor should i not have a problem with them.

Here instead of admitting the obvious truth of my arguments you attack a strawman created in your imagination.
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May 22 2019 08:13am
Quote (cambovenzi @ May 22 2019 07:11am)
I'm explicitly open to honest criticism and regularly encourage people to make merit based arguments against my positions instead of ignoring it and making personal attacks or making calls to violently shut down debate.

Nowhere have I suggested that my views are perfect.

Having a problem with some people who "disagree" with me and are supportive of violence against me and others is totally normal and does not imply i think i'm perfect, nor should i not have a problem with them.

Here instead of admitting the obvious truth of my arguments you attack a strawman created in your imagination.


who here is supportive of violence against you?
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May 22 2019 08:30am
Quote (cambovenzi @ May 22 2019 04:11pm)
I'm explicitly open to honest criticism and regularly encourage people to make merit based arguments against my positions instead of ignoring it and making personal attacks or making calls to violently shut down debate.

Nowhere have I suggested that my views are perfect.

Having a problem with some people who "disagree" with me and are supportive of violence against me and others is totally normal and does not imply i think i'm perfect, nor should i not have a problem with them.

Here instead of admitting the obvious truth of my arguments you attack a strawman created in your imagination.


I didn't create a strawman because I didn't attack anything and didn't even have the intention in case you took it as such. Asking honest questions about how you view yourself is a good check point and is nothing that you should take personally on any level. Which actually makes me wonder, why do you think it's an attack? It's sometimes relevant to know who you are talking to, and it's not really an ad hominem argument because pure rationality exists only in our imaginations. In the real world you must also account for the irrational aspects of human behavior, it's the most rational thing to do.
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May 22 2019 08:40am
Quote (Beowulf @ 22 May 2019 10:13)
who here is supportive of violence against you?


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Quote (TransTankie @ May 22 2019 04:59am)
I love how people always misrepresent shit as 'hurt feelings'. If all they did was make us feel a bit sad when we saw them they wouldn't get shaked.
They get shaked because they are some of the figureheads of a culture of hate that foments real violence and oppression of minority groups.
It's not about hurt feelings dude. It's about the restriction of rights, violence and discrimination. Getting a milkshake thrown over them is the least they deserve.


"Culture of hate and violence" = Some guy saying things you don't like.

"Love and peace" = Violently assaulting your political opponents.

1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual.
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May 22 2019 11:38am
Quote (Beowulf @ May 22 2019 08:13am)
who here is supportive of violence against you?


nice try. but cam counts everything as violence. whether its a slight breath on his neck from the guy standing too close in line to getting speared from behind whilst mowing your lawn.
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Quote (cambovenzi @ 22 May 2019 20:26)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd6rl7XnzS4


LOOOLLL!LL!L!L!L!L!!!

Actually, unironically, posting Sargon to support any point other than Sargon is a moron who can't read or even remember what he said five seconds ago.

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