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Nov 8 2018 07:22am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Nov 8 2018 09:07am)
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Like i initially posted but deleted, computer & data are at center of the "new" gerrymandering, extremely optimized

The best way to resolve the problem would be to create an algorithm automatically doing the job every xx years, but politically neutral, so it would never give the advantage to one or another, on the average...


Oh yea, lets let Inky write a program to set our districts :wacko:
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Oh yea, lets let Inky write a program to set our districts :wacko:


because you dont understand a shit

https://phys.org/news/2017-11-algorithm-combat-gerrymandering.html
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Nov 8 2018 08:04am
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Oh yea, lets let Inky write a program to set our districts :wacko:


an algorithm would almost certainly be more fair than human action, even with the biases of a programmer. and as a result the biases would be encoded, rather than secretive.

If i had to choose between algorithm driven Fed policy or district lines i'd lean towards the district lines, for a technical reason. The Fed is already a reactionary body to the economy, and a big indicator they use is the stock market, which is already largely algorithm driven. non-human actors reacting to non-human actors with humans paying the price, no thanks. not presenting a false dichotomy, these are simply two policy fronts i've seen algorithms seriously suggested in.
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an algorithm would almost certainly be more fair than human action, even with the biases of a programmer. and as a result the biases would be encoded, rather than secretive.

If i had to choose between algorithm driven Fed policy or district lines i'd lean towards the district lines, for a technical reason. The Fed is already a reactionary body to the economy, and a big indicator they use is the stock market, which is already largely algorithm driven. non-human actors reacting to non-human actors with humans paying the price, no thanks. not presenting a false dichotomy, these are simply two policy fronts i've seen algorithms seriously suggested in.


Yes, just like google's fair algorithms
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Nov 8 2018 08:12am
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Yes, just like google's fair algorithms


not in the least. google is a private corporation and their coding is a protected trade item. a public algorithm would have publicly available coding, and would be subject to scrutiny. all we have are replicatable studies on the effects of google's algorithms in an attempt to figure out what criteria they're using. It's the difference of trying to replicate a food dish on taste versus having the recipe. night and day really, from a technical standpoint.
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not in the least. google is a private corporation and their coding is a protected trade item. a public algorithm would have publicly available coding, and would be subject to scrutiny. all we have are replicatable studies on the effects of google's algorithms in an attempt to figure out what criteria they're using. It's the difference of trying to replicate a food dish on taste versus having the recipe. night and day really, from a technical standpoint.


in theory that is true, but many other shoddy public methods are in existence and the media just glosses over them. just look at the situation with children separated at the border. the media lied about that whole situation and tried to tell the GOP it was all their fault. the same would go over with any algorithm, I don't see any reason to trust it
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in theory that is true, but many other shoddy public methods are in existence and the media just glosses over them. just look at the situation with children separated at the border. the media lied about that whole situation and tried to tell the GOP it was all their fault. the same would go over with any algorithm, I don't see any reason to trust it


this seems like a scattered thought. why are you extending mistrust of the media to mistrust of an algorithm because of potential reporting on said algorithm? technical experts would give reports on the coding, which you could evaluate to figure out if you want to trust it or not, devoid of the media. and in all likelihood it would be another 10-15 years anyways, and the media will be more dead by then and more independent sources will emerge.
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Those evil republicans at it again... oh wait
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tfw you accidentally admit that enabling more citizens to vote would severely hurt your party's chances:



https://www.axios.com/mcconnell-slams-election-day-holiday-proposal-democrat-power-grab-2c3fd15c-0ced-4f5d-ada7-bb5cf74ec2e6.html
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im confused why anyone would think getting election day off is a partisan powerswing.

if anything, since democrats are lazy and dont actually have jobs, this should be good for the GOP.
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