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#101
Mar 9 2018 12:45pm
Quote (Ghot @ Mar 9 2018 12:42pm)
Yeah, and I'm aware that you can grow weed in every state in the Union, weather wise. I'm glad to see you understand whay comparing anything about marijuana to the illegal alien issue, is inane.


wat? :blink:

interstate commerce = sales between legal states and not legal states.

essentially the same reason that wisconsin was forced to adopt a 21 year old drinking age like all the other states through threats to remove funding. it created a problematic interstate commerce relationship.
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#102
Mar 9 2018 12:51pm
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You keep bringing this up (bolded part). It's just not true.
It costs the State nothing to allow the Feds to have the illegal aliens.

The Feds are payed for by the taxes from all 50 states. You make it sound like Cali has to pay. They don't, they just have to stop obstructing justice.


I keep bringing it up because it's what the article in post #1, your OP, is about, i.e. the federal government coercing the states and local governments to use their resources, which are paid for by state taxes, to bolster the efforts of federal stormtroopers, which we've already paid for through federal taxes. I thought American conservatives (those who seek to conserve the liberal republican federalist system outlined in our Constitution) were against centralization of government and opposed to double taxation.

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Mar 9 2018 12:52pm


I know what interstate commerce is. But since, agriculturally ...every state could grow weed. Interstate commerce has nothing to do with anything.

None of this has anything to do with California, illegally harboring illegal aliens.
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Mar 9 2018 12:54pm
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I know what interstate commerce is. But since, agriculturally ...every state could grow weed. Interstate commerce has nothing to do with anything.

None of this has anything to do with California, illegally harboring illegal aliens.


so commerce = production?

you know what commerce is, correct?
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#105
Mar 9 2018 12:55pm
Quote (Ghot @ Mar 9 2018 11:52am)
I know what interstate commerce is. But since, agriculturally ...every state could grow weed. Interstate commerce has nothing to do with anything.

None of this has anything to do with California, illegally harboring illegal aliens.


Nope.

If cannabis grown in California is sold in California, there's nothing for the Interstate Commerce Clause to regulate.

Similarly, if an immigrant in California works in California and lives in California and pays California taxes and doesn't move to another state, it's also not an Interstate Commerce issue.

The federal government has no enumerated powers here.
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Mar 9 2018 12:57pm
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Nope.

If cannabis grown in California is sold in California, there's nothing for the Interstate Commerce Clause to regulate.

Similarly, if an immigrant in California works in California and lives in California and pays California taxes and doesn't move to another state, it's also not an Interstate Commerce issue.

The federal government has no enumerated powers here.



Cause it's illegal, as per the Constitution of the United States, which California is a part of, and is expected to follow the laws in the US Constitution.

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Mar 9 2018 12:57pm
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Well, I guess we could do that, if marijuana took jobs from LEGAL citizens, not to mention benefits.
You're comparing apples and potatoes.

Allowing states to decide whether or not to allow illegal immigrants into their state, or harboring them, is illegal as per the constitution, not because of an amendment or a regular law.
Anyone who is FOR allowing people to live in the US illegally (getting benefits but not paying taxes), is pretty anti American as far as I can see.

Various presidents ofc, can choose to ACT or not act, on the issue of illegal immigrants, but when a president DOES decide to enforce the Constitution on this issue, well, then that's the end of the discussion.


They do pay taxes though. And California has passed laws specifically to bring immigrants into the state income tax system as well as the property taxes and sales taxes they already pay.
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#108
Mar 9 2018 12:58pm
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Cause it's illegal, as per the Constitution of the United States, which California is a part of, and is expected to follow the laws in the US Constitution.


It isn't illegal in the Constitution, though. I've already clearly laid that out for you. What part of the Constitution do you think takes away the federated powers of the states in regards to immigration?

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Mar 9 2018 12:58pm
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They do pay taxes though. And California has passed laws specifically to bring immigrants into the state income tax system as well as the property taxes and sales taxes they already pay.



They don't pay Federal taxes. California is a State, not a country. Deal with it.
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#110
Mar 9 2018 01:01pm
Quote (Ghot @ Mar 9 2018 11:58am)
They don't pay Federal taxes. California is a State, not a country. Deal with it.


What does paying federal taxes have to do with interstate commerce?

They also do pay federal taxes, which they can't receive benefits like SS, MC, MA from. They also are ineligible for tax refunds. So they are actually paying more federal taxes that they have no access to benefits from than a citizen in the same income bracket.

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