Quote (IceMage @ 6 Mar 2018 21:24)

The Democrats don't need a dramatic shift. They had a shit candidate without a message in 2016, and she barely lost. Trump's populism is right-wing... as in, cut the taxes of the guys screwing you, put tariffs on some of their business, and cut programs which benefit lower and middle income voters. Left-wing populism is the only sustainable version. Whoever wins the Democratic primary is going to incorporate enough of that into their message to win.

Plus, I don't see Trump adding any new voters. His approval rating isn't a mirage, people don't like him, and it's not just because he cuts taxes. He acts like a douchebag, and while you think of it as refreshing, most people don't.

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 7 2018 12:35pm)

"Sustainable" in that the populists were left-wing. It works for Trump because he's stealing a whole chunk of blue voters away. Whoever wins the democratic primary is going to have to try to reclaim the defectors as well as hold together a fractious party who regards any attempts to appeal to the white working class as nazism. Just dismissing Hillary as a fluke and assuming everything will go right again- that was the kind of arrogance that led to her failure in the first place.



If his approval rating wasn't a mirage, he wouldn't be president. Where is Pollster now?
The absolute values are useless. You can read into whether the numbers are going up or down, and the relative change is a useful metric, and it has shown Trump is likely adding new voters with a small, steady upward tick.

And if you think him being a douchebag was a problem, I guarantee you that the majority of people who voted for him agreed, and didn't care.

Quote (excellence @ Mar 6 2018 07:48pm)

lmfao

Quote (Plaguefear @ Mar 6 2018 07:59pm)

Pretty sure ANY candidate would have struggled with an fbi investigation days out from the vote and the DNC scandal.
Never met a left voter who became a trump supporter, have met many bernie bros who protest voted him thinking he couldn't win.

Quote (IceMage @ Mar 6 2018 09:24pm)

The Democrats don't need a dramatic shift. They had a shit candidate without a message in 2016, and she barely lost. Trump's populism is right-wing... as in, cut the taxes of the guys screwing you, put tariffs on some of their business, and cut programs which benefit lower and middle income voters. Left-wing populism is the only sustainable version. Whoever wins the Democratic primary is going to incorporate enough of that into their message to win.

Plus, I don't see Trump adding any new voters. His approval rating isn't a mirage, people don't like him, and it's not just because he cuts taxes. He acts like a douchebag, and while you think of it as refreshing, most people don't.

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 7 2018 01:02pm)

I mean its just the mindset that neoliberals/neocons can think that all it takes to win over the populists is to trickle down some pandering onto them and call it rain. All it takes is some messaging, not policies.
To me it sounds like when you get fat enough you can't see your feet. That was Hillary's mistake, and here we are over a year later and everyone just wants to double down on all the mistakes



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Quote (EndlessSky @ Mar 6 2018 09:09pm)

The current trend is Identity Politics for the left. Their base wont let them pull to the center now

I think the Kennedy part of the Dem party is dead

Quote (Skinned @ 6 Mar 2018 22:20)

For the Left? Our current president got elected on identity politics. Poor white identity politics.

Quote (excellence @ Mar 6 2018 09:36pm)

yep he got elected due to failed lefty identity politics
more minorities as a % (and thus as a total) voted for President Trump than Rmoney :rofl:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/11/11/trump-got-more-votes-from-people-of-color-than-romney-did-heres-the-data/

Quote (Plaguefear @ Mar 6 2018 08:12pm)

You have leaned right for at least the six + years you have posted here in pard.

Quote (Skinned @ Mar 6 2018 10:55pm)

Hillbilly identity politics.