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If you put all the pieces together here's what you get.
The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hilliary can win the nomination. Obama's administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him. Donna Brazil gives Hilliary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women parts. After all this Trump still wins the General Election. Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump Colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media. Obama hold overs start unmasking Trump's transition team and staff members then release the classified information to the mainstream media. Why? Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump's campaign efforts to get him elected president. All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration, the intelligence community, the DNC, along with the mainstream media used our nations surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hilliary elected President. This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play. Let that sink in.......

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lol of all the nothingburgers in 2016 that was my favorite. "the debate held in MI will discuss Flynt water-lead, the person will have a birthmark". Translation, the question anyone with an iq over 40 could predict is coming, but here's a visual cue to give u a 3 second head start.
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lol of all the nothingburgers in 2016 that was my favorite. "the debate held in MI will discuss Flynt water-lead, the person will have a birthmark". Translation, the question anyone with an iq over 40 could predict is coming, but here's a visual cue to give u a 3 second head start.


Can you just admit it was wrong and move on?
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Can you just admit it was wrong and move on?


politics isn't about right and wrong. they're all liars and thieves. borderline criminals at best, treasonous swine at worst. impactful vs ineffectual is what matters.

literally every other thing on that list was more impactful, and a few were worse than anything Trump has been shown to have done. the smear on Bernie for example. people like to forget the GOP tried the same on Trump, then he won the nomination.
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Feb 2 2018 03:48pm
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politics isn't about right and wrong. they're all liars and thieves. borderline criminals at best, treasonous swine at worst. impactful vs ineffectual is what matters.

literally every other thing on that list was more impactful, and a few were worse than anything Trump has been shown to have done. the smear on Bernie for example. people like to forget the GOP tried the same on Trump, then he won the nomination.


I think part of the problem with this memogate is that the FBI is being held to the standards of politicians
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Feb 2 2018 03:57pm
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I think part of the problem with this memogate is that the FBI is being held to the standards of politicians


I think the problem started when we romanticized large govt agencies that aren't elected and classified them as non-politicians. they have to use the same slimey tactics to gain power, and they can make the same backdoor deals to a degree to profiteer.

i'd like to believe the FBI is better, but i dont, at least not by much. i remember when the stories of FBI leaks under Comey broke, it was like people were surprised to find out FBI agents had political leanings. as if they get them burned out like MIB fingerprints.

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I think part of the problem with this memogate is that the FBI is being held to the standards of politicians


...or reporters
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Feb 2 2018 04:25pm
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I think the problem started when we romanticized large govt agencies that aren't elected and classified them as non-politicians. they have to use the same slimey tactics to gain power, and they can make the same backdoor deals to a degree to profiteer.

i'd like to believe the FBI is better, but i dont, at least not by much. i remember when the stories of FBI leaks under Comey broke, it was like people were surprised to find out FBI agents had political leanings. as if they get them burned out like MIB fingerprints.


A well-functioning bureaucracy is far more important than the sum of legislators, executives, and justices. But, the politicization of the technocratic class is inevitable when you live in a system where the powerful exploit government for their own gains, rather than for any real social benefit. Democracy should be reserved to electing technocrats selected by an algorithm into a candidate pool. Our founders solved this problem through a particular type republicanism which relied on the educated to lead society. By and large, the educated were wealthy white landowning men. Unfortunately, as society and technology have progressed, we've barely moved beyond that base, 18th century method of selecting our candidate pool. The criteria are no longer valid. Wealth and power are no longer an indication of being informed, or a metric by which we should be selecting our political class.

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What happened to Trey Gowdy?


Maybe he's aiming for an FBI or DoJ appointment and not a 4th circuit appointment as so many assume?

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A well-functioning bureaucracy is far more important than the sum of legislators, executives, and justices. But, the politicization of the technocratic class is inevitable when you live in a system where the powerful exploit government for their own gains, rather than for any real social benefit. Democracy should be reserved to electing technocrats selected by an algorithm into a candidate pool. Our founders solved this problem through a particular type republicanism which relied on the educated to lead society. By and large, the educated were wealthy white landowning men. Unfortunately, as society and technology have progressed, we've barely moved beyond that base, 18th century method of selecting our candidate pool. The criteria are no longer valid. Wealth and power are no longer an indication of being informed, or a metric by which we should be selecting our political class.




There is nothing wrong with the method we use to elect our politicians.
As long as the legislators, executives, and justices, are playing by the rules, the system works just fine.
Your... "electing technocrats selected by an algorithm into a candidate pool" is not only highly unfair to non technocratic citizens, but it won't work.
In the 18th century it was land owners, now it's business owners...same difference. This is a capitalist country, the money people, with "checks and balances", have to lead.
If they can't lead or influence which leaders are chosen, they will go somewhere else to do business.



This memo is all about the people in the system of "checks and balances" NOT playing by the rules. When this happens... we DO have a serious problem.

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