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Nov 27 2017 08:22pm
Quote (Scaly @ Nov 27 2017 10:37am)
Once again attributing beliefs to me that I don't hold. It's easy to knock down a strawman. Much harder to engage your intellectual superior with honesty and humility. So much for those Christian beliefs eh? Cast aside when inconvenient.

There is a difference between the people who are actually going to be voting debating the issue and a foreign power's organised spreading of divisive xenophobic materials. For what it's worth I think the falsehoods spread by political parties during the referendum campaign were entirely unacceptable. But that's not the issue at hand.Why do you find it so hard to stay on topic instead of engaging in this ridiculous strawmanning and whataboutism?


IMF bankers, foreign presidents, EU politicians & movie stars are not people who are going to be voting. There was no debate there, it was clear propaganda from the stay campaign. Like i said you refuse to look at all of the sides that had some agenda here and just focus on one and then pretend like the others ones don't even matter. It is the issue at hand because it's the whole crux of my argument which is you aren't objective in your criticism of all propaganda but just some that disagrees with your perspective.

From the get go all i argue for is a shred of consistency. Either all meddling is wrong or none is.

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Nov 27 2017 08:54pm
pro-trump and fake/false christians are compatibles.
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Nov 27 2017 09:53pm
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IMF bankers, foreign presidents, EU politicians & movie stars are not people who are going to be voting. There was no debate there, it was clear propaganda from the stay campaign. Like i said you refuse to look at all of the sides that had some agenda here and just focus on one and then pretend like the others ones don't even matter. It is the issue at hand because it's the whole crux of my argument which is you aren't objective in your criticism of all propaganda but just some that disagrees with your perspective.

From the get go all i argue for is a shred of consistency. Either all meddling is wrong or none is.


It's not meddling to openly state your opinion on an event. It's not even propaganda. It's stating an opinion. What's more the things you're talking about were, as far as we can tell currently, generally quite reasonable predictions. Our economy has taken a massive hit and we're not even out yet. All this is a far cry from 45,000 accounts created by hostile government employed agents mass posting fake news articles on social media in an attempt to sway a democratic decision to their advantage and our detriment.

Just more false equivalency and whataboutism.

It's ok bud. I don't expect you to have a reasonable point of view on anything tbh... You can stop trying now.

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Nov 27 2017 10:48pm
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It's not meddling to openly state your opinion on an event. It's not even propaganda. It's stating an opinion. What's more the things you're talking about were, as far as we can tell currently, generally quite reasonable predictions. Our economy has taken a massive hit and we're not even out yet. All this is a far cry from 45,000 accounts created by hostile government employed agents mass posting fake news articles on social media in an attempt to sway a democratic decision to their advantage and our detriment.

Just more false equivalency and whataboutism.

It's ok bud. I don't expect you to have a reasonable point of view on anything tbh... You can stop trying now.


Framing it just as an opinion is downplaying the significance of a maintained campaign by many to sway the vote to stay. You downplaying the significance of this is just a perfect example of how subjective you truly are and don't really give a fuck of looking at this objectively, as i suspected. Propaganda from your side, it's only opinions, the other side propaganda. 45,000 tweets in a few days came from Russia which has a population of 140 million people. I'm sure some were propaganda bots but i bet a good portion of them were just Russians weighing on the matter but i'm sure to you they were all Russian bot trolls. Those 45,000 Russian tweets are out of 7.5 million total tweets on the referendum so yeah...
Here is a analytical breakdown on how twitter and Brexit are related.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/how-leave-won-twitter/

If i were to summarize these researchers findings it is that the leave campaign was much more energized compared to stay, which makes a lot of sense considering how frustrated people felt.

I mean i get it bro, like the REEE crowd in the US many of you across the pond are turning to various excuses as to why your side lost. I wish we could just move on from this. Russia in the grand scheme of things bears no impact on my life or yours.
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Framing it just as an opinion is downplaying the significance of a maintained campaign by many to sway the vote to stay. You downplaying the significance of this is just a perfect example of how subjective you truly are and don't really give a fuck of looking at this objectively, as i suspected. Propaganda from your side, it's only opinions, the other side propaganda. 45,000 tweets in a few days came from Russia which has a population of 140 million people. I'm sure some were propaganda bots but i bet a good portion of them were just Russians weighing on the matter but i'm sure to you they were all Russian bot trolls. Those 45,000 Russian tweets are out of 7.5 million total tweets on the referendum so yeah...
Here is a analytical breakdown on how twitter and Brexit are related.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/how-leave-won-twitter/

If i were to summarize these researchers findings it is that the leave campaign was much more energized compared to stay, which makes a lot of sense considering how frustrated people felt.

I mean i get it bro, like the REEE crowd in the US many of you across the pond are turning to various excuses as to why your side lost. I wish we could just move on from this. Russia in the grand scheme of things bears no impact on my life or yours.


You can thank traditional American foreign policy for that, something you don't seem to value.
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Nov 28 2017 09:39am
No to the war. Yes to the peace.

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You can thank traditional American foreign policy for that, something you don't seem to value.


kek

6 trillion dollars worth of debt thanks to Iraq, Afghanistan & Syria. This is the wars alone not counting the money of actually powering a long term military & intelligence apparatus. We can be like Canada and spend that money on taking care of our citizens i.e. economic growth, tax cuts, infrastructure, even some form of subsidized healthcare, science and tech funding, etc. Instead what benefits are you reaping from those wars? Wounded and dead soldiers? Brown people that hate us , forcing us to spend even more on homeland security ?Much value such wow

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No to the war. Yes to the peace.


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Framing it just as an opinion is downplaying the significance of a maintained campaign by many to sway the vote to stay. You downplaying the significance of this is just a perfect example of how subjective you truly are and don't really give a fuck of looking at this objectively, as i suspected. Propaganda from your side, it's only opinions, the other side propaganda. 45,000 tweets in a few days came from Russia which has a population of 140 million people. I'm sure some were propaganda bots but i bet a good portion of them were just Russians weighing on the matter but i'm sure to you they were all Russian bot trolls. Those 45,000 Russian tweets are out of 7.5 million total tweets on the referendum so yeah...
Here is a analytical breakdown on how twitter and Brexit are related.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/how-leave-won-twitter/

If i were to summarize these researchers findings it is that the leave campaign was much more energized compared to stay, which makes a lot of sense considering how frustrated people felt.

I mean i get it bro, like the REEE crowd in the US many of you across the pond are turning to various excuses as to why your side lost. I wish we could just move on from this. Russia in the grand scheme of things bears no impact on my life or yours.


Again you fail to read what I say before you post. 45,000 accounts spamming tweets. Not 45,000 tweets.
How likely is it that 45,000 regular Russians would create a twitter account a couple of weeks before the referendum, use those accounts purely to spam fake news about 'evil' muslims and immigration and then close those accounts immediately after the referendum results were in. I've already said all this shit before by the way. Like 3 fucking pages ago. This is why having an argument with you is a waste of fucking time. Because you don't read what you're arguing against, you can't take in any new information that counteracts your views and you continuously dodge the subject by engaging in whataboutism and beating on strawmen. It's a fucking joke and I'm actually bored by it now.

Go spend some fucking time learning how to construct an argument and think critically and then come back. Because this shit is honestly fucking pathetic for an adult.

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Again you fail to read what I say before you post. 45,000 accounts spamming tweets. Not 45,000 tweets.
How likely is it that 45,000 regular Russians would create a twitter account a couple of weeks before the referendum, use those accounts purely to spam fake news about 'evil' muslims and immigration and then close those accounts immediately after the referendum results were in. I've already said all this shit before by the way. Like 3 fucking pages ago. This is why having an argument with you is a waste of fucking time. Because you don't read what you're arguing against, you can't take in any new information that counteracts your views and you continuously dodge the subject by engaging in whataboutism and beating on strawmen. It's a fucking joke and I'm actually bored by it now.

Go spend some fucking time learning how to construct an argument and think critically and then come back. Because this shit is honestly fucking pathetic for an adult.


Um... no it's actually 45,000 tweets not accounts i corrected your mistake without trying to be a snob about it and instead you double down on the derp.

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The Times reports that the study tracked 156,252 Russian accounts which mentioned #Brexit, and also found Russian accounts posted almost 45,000 messages pertaining to the EU referendum in the 48 hours around the vote.


You seem frustrated mate, i'v critically approached this subject and tried reasonably engaging you but you can't help but foam at the mouth.
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