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Mar 6 2018 05:42am
Quote (Ghot @ Mar 6 2018 06:24am)
Yeah, it was bad for the US and UK to bomb Dresden. We should have just let Germany win. I mean even a bullet is indecent.
I think I'll stick with reality, and leave the fantasy- war-discussion to the ...er...experts.

Or maybe I should let you talk to my family members, who were in every war since WW1. Or maybe you need to talk to the Brits who lived for years with any metal fencing they could find, over their beds...every night.

You guys crack me up sometimes. War isn't a video game folks.


/e As for War Crimes, we've been "convicted" of none that I know of.


You've never been to war. You're a poseur.

We have been lucky enough to win every war and have owned the courts.
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Mar 6 2018 05:46am
Plus the argumentation could have been interesting:
- What precisely Iran is doing wrong with his ballistic program and is it justified ?

But Ghot massacred it with his pre-conceived ideas and delirious deflections.
Today you are punished Ghot, no donuts for you.

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You've never been to war. You're a poseur.
We have been lucky enough to win every war and have owned the courts.


you means "wars" with countries 50 times smaller ?

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Mar 6 2018 05:46am
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Quote (BrendanSchaub @ Mar 6 2018 06:40am)
For the third time, the USA does not participate in the ICC. So obviously it has never been convicted.


I wonder why? :/
Probably because the US understands that there are people in this world that like the results of war, but they just don't want to actually go to war. Too much time on their hands, so they toss around accusations.

Maybe it's the term war crimes I have trouble with. To me war crimes means seriously bent things.

Things like trying to take over the world.
Like genocide.
Let's not forget the Spanish Inquisition. That wasn't even war, that was just politics.

Like I said in my original response, compared to the rest of the world, the US is nothing but angels.



Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Mar 6 2018 06:46am)
you means "wars" with countries 50 times smaller ?


Which, like Nam, where we HAD to go cause the French went first and got their asses kicked?


/e The problem these days is the better technology of war. Sometimes, ya just have to be preemptive.

Is the US picking on NK?
Is the US picking on Iran?


Which reality are you folks from?

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I wonder why? :/
Probably because the US understands that there are people in this world that like the results of war, but they just don't want to actually go to war. Too much time on their hands, so they toss around accusations.

Maybe it's the term war crimes I have trouble with. To me war crimes means seriously bent things.

Things like trying to take over the world.
Like genocide.
Let's not forget the Spanish Inquisition. That wasn't even war, that was just politics.

Like I said in my original response, compared to the rest of the world, the US is nothing but angels.


Angels don't exist.

Why are you pulling up all these other obvious atrocities? Nobody is denying any of these took place. Nobody is even arguing the USA is the worst perpetrator of war crimes in history. Obviously, it is not. You've only existed for a relatively short period of time.

Is it really so hard for you to admit (edit) that the USA also did some terrible shit? Not the most, not the worst, but definitely some.

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Quote (BrendanSchaub @ Mar 6 2018 06:50am)
Angels don't exist.

Why are you pulling up all these other obvious atrocities? Nobody is denying any of these took place. Nobody is even arguing the USA is the worst perpetrator of war crimes in history. Obviously, it is not. You've only existed for a relatively short period of time.

Is it really so hard for you that the USA also did some terrible shit? Not the most, not the worst, but definitely some.



I'm not denying we did any of those things. I'm upset with the terminology. I think we need a new term...something like war misdemeanors.



Thank you.
No one likes war, except those that ARE trying to take over the world. The US is not one of those. We aren't trying to over take anyone. We would much rather sit at home, have a drink maybe some bar-b-que, and go for a drive in the Chevy.

If that's all we DID, I don't think many folk (from all over the world) would be happy with the state of the world.
No, I don't think falling into the shitty job of being the world's police force...kind of...is a good thing.
I DO think if we just looked the other way and said: "It's not our problem", whipped out the michael jackson eating popcorn meme, and didn't help out where we could, we wouldn't be worth a crap.

Last of all, like I've said before, if some folks in other countries don't like the way we do things...I can guarantee that we would stay home, and get on with the drinks and BBQ. ^^
Those that don't like the way we do things can always do it themselves. The US tries to work with the world, not for it.

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Quote (Ghot @ Mar 6 2018 12:58pm)
I'm not denying we did any of those things. I'm upset with the terminology. I think we need a new term...something like war misdemeanors.


Killing 20000 civilians is a misdemeanor?
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Mar 6 2018 06:11am
Quote (BrendanSchaub @ Mar 6 2018 07:06am)
Killing 20000 civilians is a misdemeanor?


He's from the Vietnam generation where they use terms like megadeths to intellectualize all the horrible s*** going on so it wasn't as personal on the television.

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Mar 6 2018 06:17am
Quote (BrendanSchaub @ Mar 6 2018 07:06am)
Killing 20000 civilians is a misdemeanor?



Like I've said before. Is a country's army, ONLY their soldiers? Maybe it's also the civilians that provide the food, to the factory workers who supply the army.
Considering Germany had most of Europe already, it probably seemed like a good idea at the time.

When a country goes to war, the whole country is involved. You can't just draw arbitrary lines.


It's always easy to become supremely judgemental, after the war is all over.

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Mar 6 2018 06:19am
Quote (Ghot @ Mar 6 2018 07:17am)
Like I've said before. Is a country's army, ONLY their soldiers? Maybe it's also the civilians that provide the food, to the factory workers who supply the army.
Considering Germany had most of Europe already, it probably seemed like a good idea at the time.

When a country goes to war, the whole country is involved. You can't just draw arbitrary lines.


It's always easy to become supremely judgemental, after the war is all over.


You sound like a suicide bomber.
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Quote (Ghot @ Mar 6 2018 01:17pm)
Like I've said before. Is a country's army, ONLY their soldiers? Maybe it's also the civilians that provide the food, to the factory workers who supply the army.
Considering Germany had most of Europe already, it probably seemed like a good idea at the time.

When a country goes to war, the whole country is involved. You can't just draw arbitrary lines.


It's always easy to become supremely judgemental, after the war is all over.


So you think it's morally justified to kill civilians en masse during war? Because it seems like you do.
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