Yeah, if she doesn't resign she will have a hard time during reelection. Pretty stupid for any grown up to be talking like that on social media....she should be canned just for being a senator who spends time on facebook.

...why ? This has nothing to do with Trump or his supporters. This is about a state senator who made a social media post hoping that the President gets assassinated. You're making a false equivalence instead of addressing the issue at hand.



Except they're not "very much similar."

What Maria Chappelle Nadal said:
"I hope Trump gets assassinated"

What Trump said:
"If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”

Now, granted, it was an incredibly stupid & unnecessary statement to make, however he never said he "hoped the second amendment people ASSASSINATE her. That would be very much similar.





Chea, they don't hate the blues, they just simply want them dead

No biggie

Looks like a couple white guys holding that flag. Pretty sure those are anarchists, given the classic circle A. I just searched Black Lives Matter on Google and I see nothing like that. Where did you get that image?

Yeah you're probably right, I just remembered seeing that sign posted somewhere & wanted to na-na-na-na-na your post

No u

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That's black bloc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc

Those dudes are getting wrecked when they are apprehended. Like 20+ year sentences.

So hatred is shaped from culture, what else is new.



All you're doing is rehashing the reasons people hate. You're justifying it instead of denying it.
Whether the group hates or doesn't hate is irrespective of the reasons for the hatred. BLM has no shortage of hatred for police. You can make claims like cops are murderers, racists, blah blah blah.
Anti-semites can give a laundry list of reasons they hate jews, that jews control the media, that the government is in cahoots with them, they're greedy and dishonest, blah blah other such nonsense.
Even if any of those claims were true, the group who use it as justification to go out and express anger and hatred are hate groups. I contend that such claims are incorrect and I've backed that up plenty, but it doesn't matter whether its true or false, they're still hate groups. They aren't a civil rights group arguing for pro-black social policies. If they were, there would be an endless parade of far more important 'black-lives-mattering' issues like obesity, black-on-black violence, etc. They don't have a positive message, they are a group dedicated to demonizing another group and expressing anger towards them. They don't want to win something for blacks, they want to lock up police. This is the fundamental difference between civil rights movements and social justice movements, between american game shows and japanese game shows. The desire to punish a subset rather than help a subset.

At best this boils down to saying "well my cause is justified, and therefore the anger and hatred are righteous". The belief that police racism, murdering and is real and widespread enough to rationalize a hate group. Hey, if you *really* did believe that jews poison wells and drink the blood of babies, you'd be able to justify hating jews too.

It takes a degree of self awareness to be able to say "Yes, I'm endorsing a movement demonizes and persecutes one set of people because of my perceived notions of them". And I'm perfectly willing to do that. I recognize that sunni islam is so regressive and damaging that taking prudent measures in foreign policy to combat the threat of sunni islam is justified, even if it means harming some innocent goat farmers or not letting abdul into the country to visit his family. I'm aware that its driven by a hatred of islamic terrorism, homophobia, sexism, antisemitism, etc. I believe these traits are real and widespread enough to justify it. But I'm not going to pretend that what I advocate isn't anti-islamic by using euphemisms. If Islamic terrorism and regressive intolerance weren't real problems, than none of it would be justifiable.

I don't deny how real the beliefs and convictions of the BLM crowd are. I just disagree with how real the issues are, and I'm going to call a spade a spade.

You could have just said the last two sentences there. I believe that the problems are real. Earlier when I said we disagree, this is what I meant. There is no need to use the Islam analogy, because arguments by analogy are the weakest kind. I want the police to quit killing and arresting blacks at disproportinate rates. I want courts to give them fair trials. I want prisons to not be places where blacks or any human are locked into servitude for the profits of another like our prisons. Since BLM is linked to queer and trans rights it is a liberation movement for all people. The best thing is that nobody loses.

I dunno, maybe blacks should quit committing crimes at disproportionate rates?

I'm not saying cops never make mistakes, but I wouldn't say it's a disproportionate amount.