Whenever I read about Muslim terrorist attacks and inevitable moderate vs extreme Muslim discussion (people using the not ALL Muslims, or only a tiny minority of Muslims argument), I'm reminded of this Sam Harris quote:

"The problem is that moderates of all faiths are committed to reinterpreting or ignoring outright the most dangerous and absurd parts of their scripture, and this commitment is precisely what makes them moderates. But it also requires some degree of intellectual dishonesty because moderates can't acknowledge that their moderation comes from outside the faith. The doors leading out of scriptural literalism simply do not open from the inside.

In the 21st century, the moderate's commitment to rationality, human rights, gender equality, and every other modern value, values that are potentially universal for human beings, comes from the last 1000 years of human progress, much of which was accomplished in spite of religion, not because of it. So when moderates claim to find their modern ethical commitments within scripture, it looks like an exercise in self-deception. The truth is that most of our modern values are antithetical to the specific teachings of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. And where we do find these values expressed in our holy books, they are almost never best expressed there.

Moderates seem unwilling to grapple with the fact that all scriptures contain an extraordinary amount of stupidity and barbarism, that can always be rediscovered and made wholly anew by fundamentalists, and there's no principle of moderation internal to the faith that prevents this. These fundamentalist readings are, almost by definition, more complete and consistent, and therefore more honest. The fundamentalist picks up the book and says, "Ok, I'm just going to read every word of this and do my best to understand what god wants from me - I'll leave my personal biases completely out of it." Conversely, every moderate seems to believe that his interpretation and selective reading of scripture is more accurate than god's literal words."

you didnt even read my previous post ?

50 deads is finally a pretty nice score for a single shooter, what a butchery, look like it's another "lone wolf" event isnt it ?
Muslim population tripled since 1990 in usa, maybe with guns easy access & the violent nature of the "social" balance we could get more and more events like that in the future.
Je suis gay d'orlando.....

I'd argue that quite a bit of the Bible (and other religious texts) don't really deal with the issues that we deal with today.

Great bit of foresight from god there...

Pretending this isn't a problem is dumb as fuck and ignores reality.

Pretty much this. It really seems to me so far (not counting this dude coz I haven't been able to catch up with the news this morning much) there's a lot of attempts and pressure from Daesh on the internet to find disaffected middle class folks who just want life to be some grand adventure written in bold, divisive lines of good and evil and then exploit that to their benefit. The only thing we could do to prevent something like this would be straight up fascist camps for anyone caught being kinda Muslim.

Of course, we could also help rewrite the narrative so that the complaints that groups like Daesh have toward the U.S.sound ridiculous and no one could possibly fall for them, but haha that's crazy what why would we stop that's literally nuts



So is pretending you're a moose, since we're talking about dumb shit that no one here is doing

This post was edited by AiNedeSpelCzech on Jun 12 2016 01:37pm

In african islamic countries? In the middle east?

I don't see why you're incapable of the distinction between saying "All muslims are hateful violent terrorist bigots" and "Far more muslims are hateful violent terrorist bigots"
Not all pedophiles rape children. Thousands, possibly tens of thousands of Pedophiles, all walked into schools yesterday without incident.

The modern democrat party line on islamic terror is to stick their fingers in their ears, pretend it isn't a problem and deny reality to spin stories in the media to adhere to their political correctedness.
The reality is, muslims, particularly sunni muslims, are responsible for most terrorism worldwide and an disproportionate amount of societal repression and hatemongering



You're too busy "rewriting the narrative" to identify objective reality.
America has ZERO obligation to change their society to apologize to muslim terrorists. Thats the same rhetoric used by cowards and terrorist apologists who say we should cede freedom of speech and not let cartoonists draw mohammed because it "offends muslims".
Giving in to terrorist demands and appeasing their violence, then Daesh has won and sharia law won't sound so ridiculous anymore

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jun 12 2016 01:42pm

Literally not bothering to read a GoomShill post on this subject, thanks tho.

You could replace "Muslim" anywhere in your post with "poor people" and "uneducated people" and it would still hold. The driving force isn't Islam, it's living in shit locations with no opportunity and being "collateral damage" in a greater conflict.