If you plan to use a couple of violent incidents many decades ago to justify ethnic cleansing and denying Palestinians basic rights, let us skip please
I am not sure your point anyway... Palestinian refugees exist and they came from what is now Israel. Nothing you can say will legitimize their cleansing
There is no cleansing going in Gaza nor the West Bank, Cleansing is a washed definition for massacre so stop trying to say the same thing with different words
The violent incidents were from both sides and it started mostly from 'Palestinians' or any Arabs country around us.

Please step it up and let us have an honest discussion. For every 1 Palestinian with Israeli citizenship there are 10 who don't have it.
You can't give some semblance of rights (still not full even for Palestinians with citizenship) to a small fraction of the population and try to use that as a token to cover up practices against the rest.
This is dishonest and you know it
The 'Palestinians' that lives among us have citizenship so I have no idea what are you talking about you want us to soak those from Gaza? and the West Bank?
Maybe you want us to be a Shia'a Country or Sharia country? or what ever nonesence this is called.
No we do not want to be religious at all we have our problems with Judaism which we are trying to disconnect from but we defiantly don't an Arab majority to create Islam law too that will be the end of the Jewish people.
If you can't see it, I am not the one with the problem

Though there is too much to discuss in your post I will focus on a couple of points.
There is nothing ot discuss you are in no point to critisize anything you simply don't understand the situation.

Your typical response is assume I am ignorant and come at me with a condescending "let me tell you how it is attitude" ? You can do better than that.
Btw, I said "apartheid like" which I meant that it shares many similarities with apartheid regime but of course there is different conditions.
You confirmed it yourself
Tell me, why do Lebanon does give citizenship to the Palestinians in their south? Its a one big concentration camp controlled by a lunatic because you didn't accept your brothers after you failed to destroy us.

How can you seriously argue that it is normal and legitimate to have a "state first and for most for Jews" in land with large, if not majority non-Jewish population?
Imo take the bull head on and answer this one instead of maneuvering
Gaza is not a part of Israel Nor the West Bank therefore the popultion of Israel is 8 Million, abit then one third are Muslims.
So according to what I see we do have majority so if again you are talking about soaking Gaza and the West Bank stop wasting my time and yours with all that crap.

PS: I am a Lebanese. You said Jews can not live in Lebanon... are you aware Jews lived in Lebanon until the civil war which was a direct consequence of Israel not letting Palestinians back? And even then, many stayed, until the IDF themselves bombed the Synagogue in Beirut? Why would they bomb it you might ask? The answer is simple they DONT WANT Jews to survive in other countries because they need population in Israel. Today the Syangouge in Beirut is renovated by Lebanese Jewish community and it is in downtown Beirut. We want to encourage any Jews who had to leave to come back to their ancestral country
Thats what your goverment told you? that we caused your civil war? This is the main reason why Jews need their on country cause its seems every time something happeneds its the Jews!
When you comes with so called fact I want to get a proper back ups I won't discuss about nonesence.
You want all the Jews who leaved in your religious country to come back? no thanks...
I don't want to wear borka and I want stability something no Arab country can provide specially not Lebanon a string puppet of Syria.

Lets speak about 'The elephant in the room' the reason everyone wants to be a part of Israel is simply because people are free, they can say what ever they want and you countries they simply can't.

Get a grip!


This post was edited by Many_Names on Mar 13 2012 02:30am

No no... not massacre... ethnic cleansing. This is changing the demographic make up of a region.
This happened suddenly in 1948 and it is happening slowly on the long run today with state policy and demographic engineering.



Not only Gaza and the West Bank but also all the Palestinian refugees in other countries.
Most of Gaza are displaced Palestinians from Israeli anyway. And the ones in the West bank are denied citizenship in the territories even though Israel controls the territory and is responsible for the population within it.



Who is talking about Islam law? I am talking about a secular state with a bill of rights that guarantee rights and freedoms of everyone.



You want Lebanon to give citizenship to the Palestinians you displaced from their homes? Lol.
They are not from Lebanon, stop being silly. The are from Palestine/Israel (it is the same land).



Yes yes I am used to Israelis thinking that someone who doesn't hold their perspective is just brainwashed. This response is so programmed and robotic, I wonder who is the brainwashed Incredible arrogance and lack of respect.
In fact, the Lebanese civil war started between Lebanese Christians and the Palestinian refugees... if the Palestinians were not refugees no war would have happened.
It is not rocket science I suggest you educate yourself past the intellectually lazy generalizations you throw at others on a constant basis.



You think Lebanon is a religious country where people wear Burka? Lol...
Anyway, I was just saying Lebanon offer that choice to whoever wants to. It is an added choice.
This applies to Jews of Lebanese origins of course so if you aren't from Lebanon originally you need not be concerned or speak for others.



Lol yes we can. I'd argue Lebanon is more free than Israel. In Israel you might get into trouble for saying the state shouldn't be Jewish for example in Lebanon we have full freedoms.
Anyway, if you think you are too good for the Arabs that you can't share a state with them, you should have founded Israel elsewhere.

This post was edited by ZingerSupreme on Mar 13 2012 02:49am

Yeah, Israel is as "free" as the slave states pre-civil war in the USA.
Anyone can say whatever they want and are protected by the law!

Except for the slaves. They have to live in a strip of land blockaded on all sides, pounded by missile strikes and dependent on 'massa for food, jobs, water and shelter, and forbidden from taking up arms or leaving
Thats one free state you have in Israel: Freedom for the jews.



Its amazing, isn't it?
I have never met an Israeli who didn't think the entire rest of the world is 'brainwashed' against them (except half of America).
Its sort of amazing when they talk to anyone european, and learn about the huge antipathy to their massacres, oppression and genocide- and blame it on "omg they're brainwashed"
You know, Zionist Israelis, the same people who train government agents to edit wikipedia to favor zionism (for real).
I'm sure when 95% of the world thinks something, and 5% use their disagreement to slaughter millions, the 5% must be the sane ones

This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 13 2012 03:02am

No no... not massacre... [B]ethnic cleansing. This is changing the demographic make up of a region.
This happened suddenly in 1948 and it is happening slowly on the long run today with state policy and demographic engineering.[/B]
ethnic cleansing is a massacre and we are not doing cleansing the demographic change with migration not by murder like you describe it.

Not only Gaza and the West Bank but also all the Palestinian refugees in other countries.
Most of Gaza are displaced Palestinians from Israeli anyway. And the ones in the West bank are denied citizenship in the territories even though Israel controls the territory and is responsible for the population within it.
Not the people of Gaza were and been there since the day of times and only god knows what they want from us.

Who is talking about Islam law? I am talking about a secular state with a bill of rights that guarantee rights a freedoms of everyone.
Yes a secular state with a bill or right that guarantree freedom like in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Yemen, Jordan, Libya, Marroco, Sudan, Iran, Afghanista you want me to continue?

You want Lebanon to give citizenship to the Palestinians you displaced from their homes? Lol.
They are not from Lebanon, stop being silly. The are from Palestine/Israel (it is the same land).
there were 700,000 people or left or were expalled from their home they live in Lebanon for almost a centuary there children were born there, their grand children were born.
So who is keeping a demograpic clensing? Israelis which give Citizenship to those who born or Lebanon which fail to take care of the refugee's from 1948?
While it wasn't 1 side coin over 100 thousand Jews we expalled and left Arab countries

Yes yes I am used to Israelis thinking that someone who doesn't hold their perspective is just brainwashed. This response is so programmed and robotic, I wonder who is the brainwashed Incredible arrogance and lack of respect.
In fact, the Lebanese civil war started between Lebanese Christians and the Palestinian refugees... if the Palestinians were not refugees no war would have happened.
It is not rocket science I suggest you educate yourself past the intellectually lazy generalizations you throw at others on a constant basis.
This is simply another excuse for the lack of stability in every Arab country lets blame the Israelis, You had a civil war because you neglected the refugees that lived in your land for so many years
not because of the Israelis.

You think Lebanon is a religious country where people wear Burka? Lol...
Anyway, I was just saying Lebanon offer that choice to whoever wants to. It is an added choice.
This applies to Jews of Lebanese origins of course so if you aren't from Lebanon originally you need not be concerned or speak for others.
Tell it to Mr' Hariri Ho!?! you can't he's dead...

Lol yes we can. I'd argue Lebanon is more free than Israel. In Israel you might get into trouble for saying the state shouldn't be Jewish for example in Lebanon we have full freedoms.
Anyway, if you think you are too good for the Arabs that you can't share a state with them, you should have founded Israel elsewhere.
I can say what ever I Want in my country even that it shouldn't be Jewish,I am saying it now it shouldn't be Jewish (Religion) yet it should be the home of the Jewish people
Example: The Knesset member Hanin Zoaby was on the Marmara while the mob attacked Israeli soldiers, check where she is today, you guessed right in the Knesset. if something like that would have happened in Lebanon she would have Vanish from the face of times.
Arabs have representetive in our goverment one of them even became a minister, so don't talk to me about freedom.
It just a matter of time you'll start walking in burka's there Hassan Nassrala the peace keeper likes his women covered from head to toe.



I never met refined person like you who speaks so much nonesence.

This post was edited by Many_Names on Mar 13 2012 03:22am

Here ya go.

This post was edited by ZingerSupreme on Mar 13 2012 03:43am

The problem with the whole Israel vs Palestine debate is that Jews are still tolerated and allowed to exist by the international community.

Usually they reserve the brainwashed label for Arabs, for the rest of the world they say Jew haters or anti Semitic etc.
And yeah I'm aware of Israel's elaborate online PR program and it is not only Wikipedia but also forums etc.
I would not be surprised if some of the posters here are part of it.

Tempted to troll?

Everyone knows that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were all Jews.

This is what you want me to live with?

Most of Palestinians in Gaza were part of Israel proper before 1948.
What they want is obvious, like all other Palestinians, they want their home and state.

No they were part of Egypt.

Actually none of those states have a bill of rights per se but the generalization you are trying to imply is simply false

No what I am trying to imply is simply the fact the not even 1 Arabic country manage to get a grip.

Lebanon will not assimilate the refugees because they are not Lebanese, doesn't matter how much time has passed.
As for Jews expelled from Arabic countries you have a point it is the Arabs fault and I personally think they should make up for their mistake.
It is not an excuse for Israel's behavior towards the Palestinians though.

So according to you there is no such thing as citinzenship by birth?
for example if you are born in the US you get automaticly a citizenship and Israel aswell.
Its seems Lebanon have different law to cover their own ass.

What does that have to do with anything?

He is the symbol of Syrian control over Lebanon.

Id don't mind home of the Jewish people either.
But I mind home of [B only[/B] or mainly the Jewish people.
It should be home for all it's inhabitants and I can guarantee you any political movement in Israel can not speak this opinion.
They will be called traitors etc and oppressed.

Fortunatly I don't have to agree with you, people can say they do not want it to be a Jewish country actualy some do say it all the time.
But the majority do not agree nor want too and thats okay by me I don't want to live with the people who hates me.

Again, a few token figures don't say anything. You need to give all Palestinians their rights not a small fraction of them.

So every example I give is a Token so whats left?

Believe me I am well versed in Lebanese politics and this is total bunk.
In fact hedonism in Lebanon has increased at the same time with Hezbollah's power... which is a coincidence but proves there is absolutely no relation.
I'd reconsider my speculations if I were you.
Last time replying defensively to ignorant comments that only deflect attention from the main issue at hand.

The only thing I can say IS L O L you deflected the entire thread.
and no this is not a speculation Hizbollah's is an hybrid terror organization and by Hybrid I mean.
He is working like a government in south Lebabnon, He help with educate their people and support them financially while brainwashing them for hatred and now he is in the Lebanease Parliament.
WE DON'T WANT MUSLIM LAWS IN MY COUNTRY AND WE WILL NEVER BE ANYTHING ELSE BUT JEWISH STATE (JEWISH - STATE FOR THE JEWS NOT THE RELIGIOUS, SECULAR COUNTRY), LIVE WITH IT OR GET OUT OF IT.
No one is forcing you to stay and no one telling you to get out, those who willing to stay live here those who don't and work against this state will stay out.




Simply another example for why we need our own country.

Anyway I'd love to stay and chat with you guys since its really funny the way you understand this conflict or wait... you dont.
but I have to study to my Terror Development Exam.

Good Day,

This post was edited by Many_Names on Mar 13 2012 03:56am