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Apr 27 2011 02:02pm
Quote (MewKitten @ Apr 27 2011 12:58pm)
I like this, but post the specifics before being bashed by njaguar


the specifics will take a book to outline. I'm still working on them. However, i have them all in my head. I've been researching what would be necessary given human psychology etc.

Social engineering on the top may be necessary to encourage 100% bottom-up decision-making.
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I'm not implying they should be treated equally, but should have at least food, water and shelter.


this i believe is still a fallacy. I believe some of our most foundational morality today poses problematic in terms of the future progress of the human race. And i mean "foundational" in the most basic sense here.
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the specifics will take a book to outline. I'm still working on them. However, i have them all in my head. I've been researching what would be necessary given human psychology etc.

Social engineering on the top may be necessary to encourage 100% bottom-up decision-making.


Do you at least agree resources should be intelligently managed and distributed? So we can continue to advance technologically.
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Apr 27 2011 02:07pm
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this i believe is still a fallacy. I believe some of our most foundational morality today poses problematic in terms of the future progress of the human race. And i mean "foundational" in the most basic sense here.


My parents + grandparents came from Laos (having barely any food or water)
How is this a fallacy?
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Apr 27 2011 02:08pm
Quote (MewKitten @ Apr 27 2011 01:04pm)
Do you at least agree resources should be intelligently managed and distributed? So we can continue to advance technologically.


no. Not resources. Government should be intelligently managed and distributed though. So should freedom policy.

Resources do not need to be "distributed" by any entity. Research will progress according to the profit motive, and non-profit organizations will receive money from willing donors (to make themselves look good).

I've researched this in and out. There is no function that can be demanded that can't be provided by the free market that any of society would ever want to perform. The problem is actually creating a REAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL free market. Not the so called "free market" in the US. that's a load of BS stretching 100 miles long.

The US is a socialist nation now...with dying elements of capitalism struggling to hold on.


Quote (MewKitten @ Apr 27 2011 01:07pm)
My parents + grandparents came from Laos (having barely any food or water)
How is this a fallacy?


some people are too dysfunctional to survive. Why do we hold ourselves back for them? Most people would have at least some capability to survive in a true free market though. The people that couldn't do at least something...well they are barely human. The largest problem with the poor not able to provide with themselves is that there are limited opportunities subsidized by large government/socialist entities. Mankind has truly never seen what im proposing.

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no. Not resources. Government should be intelligently managed and distributed though. So should freedom policy.

Resources do not need  to be "distributed" by any entity. Research will progress according to the profit motive, and non-profit organizations will receive money from willing donors (to make themselves look good).

I've researched this in and out. There is no function that can be demanded that can't be provided by the free market that any of society would ever want to perform. The problem is actually creating a REAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL free market. Not the so called "free market" in the US. that's a load of BS stretching 100 miles long.

The US is a socialist nation now...with dying elements of capitalism struggling to hold on.




some people are too dysfunctional to survive. Why do we hold ourselves back for them? Most people would have at least some capability to survive in a true free market though. The people that couldn't do at least something...well they are barely human.


No, America overthrows governments, rebuilds them, gives them a deal where we can have some of their land for companies and take most of their resources. Our machines outdo their manual work, throwing them into poverty. This is why Cuba never went along this path. They are self sustaining because the U.S. could not intervene.
This is why Halliburton gets paid to rebuild nations.

This post was edited by MewKitten on Apr 27 2011 02:16pm
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Apr 27 2011 02:20pm
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No, America overthrows governments, rebuilds them, gives them a deal where we can have some of their land for companies and take most of their resources. Our machines outdo their manual work, throwing them into poverty. This is why Cuba never went along this path. They are self sustaining because the U.S. could not intervene.
This is why Halliburton gets paid to rebuild nations.


yeah...exactly...the marriage between our government, which includes our military force, and corporate ambition. That is the most destructive leadership a country can adhere to. We are living it.

Corporations should not have our army backing their motivations. That's insane. And yes, of course they get paid to rebuild nations. It's no wonder.

Capitalism is not the enemy. I hear time in and out with close-minded liberals trying to blame "greed" and "capitalism" for these problems. First of all, there is not a single human or even organism on this earth not imbued with greed.

Greed doesn't cause the difference you observe. Nor do companies on their own. Their influence extends into what the founding fathers would've referred to as a "forbidden realm" however. The government, and our Constitution.

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Apr 27 2011 02:24pm
Quote (MewKitten @ Apr 27 2011 03:01pm)
I'm not implying they should be treated equally, but should have at least food, water and shelter.


Almost everyone in America has food, water, and shelter, because we are a very wealthy country(because of our system).
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Apr 27 2011 02:29pm
Quote (RUSSiABANK @ Apr 27 2011 08:08pm)
no. Not resources. Government should be intelligently managed and distributed though. So should freedom policy.

Resources do not need  to be "distributed" by any entity. Research will progress according to the profit motive, and non-profit organizations will receive money from willing donors (to make themselves look good).

I've researched this in and out. There is no function that can be demanded that can't be provided by the free market that any of society would ever want to perform. The problem is actually creating a REAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL free market. Not the so called "free market" in the US. that's a load of BS stretching 100 miles long.

The US is a socialist nation now...with dying elements of capitalism struggling to hold on.




some people are too dysfunctional to survive. Why do we hold ourselves back for them? Most people would have at least some capability to survive in a true free market though. The people that couldn't do at least something...well they are barely human. The largest problem with the poor not able to provide with themselves is that there are limited opportunities subsidized by large government/socialist entities. Mankind has truly never seen what im proposing.


Sounds a lot like Hitler. That's dangerous thinking.
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Apr 27 2011 02:31pm
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Sounds a lot like Hitler.  That's dangerous thinking.


lol. Hitler systematically killed people that HE (somehow possessing god-like knowledge) believed were unworthy of living or were inferior.

I'd leave it up to natural selection. That's not dangerous thinking. That's the creed of the universe. If a person cannot garner some support for himself from anyone else, and cannot provide for him/herself in ANY manner, even with all these new technologies being developed that allow even quadriplegics to do fascinating feats, that person clearly cannot bear themselves in this world.

I wouldn't decide at all. That's what we do now (we play God). We claim for instance, that autistic people are inferior and must be cured. But is that really the case?

who knows...because we inject our artificial influence into the system. They are judged on social standards, not on their own merit.

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